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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:15 pm

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Tumley yearling hen just got home, next day 13:35, given absolutely everything, wings hanging down, picked her up from the lawn, totally exhausted.


And do you think that is good. That poor bird has probably flown it's heart out for you. And for what?

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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:19 pm

Are you saying she's like that because it's a yearling phil,
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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:32 pm

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Are you saying she's like that because it's a yearling phil,


Personally - I believe that racing pigeons Mature! - their bodies become stronger, their constitutions become more able to cope with greater demands as they get older, and their ability to overcome obstacles

So yes - that is exactly what I am saying. That poor little bird of has given more than it probably had to give - and now look at it.

If it was a 3 or 4 year old, it would have been able to cope with the rigours of a 500 mile flight.

Also - I would put money on it that it was not prepared for a 500 mile race properly, simply because mot fanciers don't know how to prepare a bird for long distance races.

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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:05 pm

What I'm saying is, you would think it ok if a 2/3 year old came home from Thurso flown out, as boosey said yearling, and because it 2/3 it wouldn't be a problem
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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:53 pm

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What I'm saying is, you would think it ok if a 2/3 year old came home from Thurso flown out, as boosey said yearling, and because it 2/3 it wouldn't be a problem

No, that is certainly not what I am saying.

Sure, we want our pigeons to fly hard and fast and get home as quickly as possible. That's the name of the game. I am sure we have all had birds that have just sort of flopped on the landing board and possibly not had the strength or energy to go any further. I certainly have.

What I am saying is, that racing pigeons are NOT machines, they are living feeling thinking creatures. Man has bred into them a primary desire to get home as fast as possible. Regarding the 2 or 3 year old bird doing Thurso (or similar distances) I believe that a bird of that age would find it easier to do 500 miles, if and only if it had been prepared and trained up to those sort of distances, and therefore probably would not come back in such a wrecked state.

Getting back to my previous statement regarding feeding and preparing a bird for 500 miles, there are very few fanciers who know how to really do it. It isn't something you can think about for an event 2 or 3 weeks in the future. It needs to be thought about carefully and prepared for in the proper manner. Most fanciers don't know about feeding and preparing for the longer distances, eg, the value of short chain amino acids, and the difference between omega 3 and 6.

Getting a bird back from 400 miles + isn't the name of the game, the name of the game is RACING pigeons. Not getting pigeons home. What good does it serve sending a yearling that, by its very nature, has had little or no experience of having to stay in a race pannier for 2 or more days, having to eat in that pannier and drink in that pannier, with another 18 or so birds, then after all that having to fly in excess of 400 miles at a good velocity. It wouldn't surprise me at all if this brave little Tumley hen never does anything again, because its heart and soul has been broken for racing. It's just been out-faced.

For me, it is just too much for a yearling. Yes, I know we all have stories about this yearling doing 500 miles and topping the Fed, or that yearling doing 600 and odd miles and being the only bird back on the day, but pigeon racing is like that, there are always stories of the exception to the rule. But I am not talking about those exceptions, I am talking about the type of pigeons that you and I have in our lofts, the type of families of birds we spend hundreds of hours trying to build.

The thing with pigeons is, there is never a never. There are always exceptions to the rule.

I could talk for hours on this subject because it is something I am passionate about and extremely interested in, but I think that is enough for now!

Don't shoot me down in flames, it is just my opinion, you can take it or leave it!

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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:39 pm

No intention at all in shooting you down in flames Phil, the forum is for discussions like this, I dare say most fanciers know very little about amino acids or omega 3/6 , but, I bet there's quite a lot of them will have outstanding birds , yearlings included that will make these distances,I'm sure boosey has paid a fair bit for this bird, and I'm also sure that he wouldn't have sent it without proper preparation, after all it made home when a lot of older birds wouldn't have
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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:59 pm

Please let me know how the Tumley bird got on - I have a nice Tumley cock (similar way bred) that would go well with your hen.  He has already bred me a cock that beat the French National Champion.

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Phil, I kept you up to date with my Tumley hen because you asked me to. There were approximate 10 birds home in the Essex Combine on the day.
In my club today (day 2) at the 3pm strike there's only 7 birds home, I wasn't there long but the man that took the first 4 called me this morning when he had 3 home to tell me they were all yearlings.

If I knew knew it was going to be a smash I wouldn't have sent her, but I still would have sent my 2 year old, and she's still missing.
No one on here cares more about there birds than me.

Who knows where she's been, or where the hundreds of missing pigeons are tonight?  Nobody.

She's will get plenty of tlc now, she's been in the hospital hutch all afternoon so she could rest for a while without getting jossled on her perch, she had a very light feed and dioralite in her water to replace her body salts. She's back in the loft at dusk and will have dioralites in front of her for a couple of days.

Don't ask me to let you know how a bird gets on and then ask if I think it's good that she's in such a state, of course I don't, I can't see anywhere where i say I think it's good, I'm gutted she's in such a state, and also very proud that she came home in front of all those hundreds of 2,3,4,5 and six year olds that are still searching for home.
Maybe their owners that sent those older birds with their stronger bodies and stronger constitutions are wondering where they are.
A very respected distance fancier in my club hasn't clocked in yet he's still waiting for he's pigeon that was 4th Combine Stonehaven last year.
Don't try to tell me he dosnt know how to prepare a pigeon for a long race, if you started cracking on about omega 3 and omega 6 to him he would laugh he's head off.
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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:18 pm

Glad you got it Boosey. Some birds are made for the distance. Some strains excel and some strains are garbage. Had a pair of Des Smet Mathys would breed me distance birds most of the time. Won the 600 with one, 2 year old. Moved to Windsor and that made the 600 a 726 miler. Sent 2 yearlings. 2nd day birds. No prizes. However the following year one won me a 500 miler. No good under 450 miles though. As stated, you have to have the family/strain. To find out when all else fails is to ship them. The basket sorts them out. I have spent large sums of money on pedigreed birds and raised young off them. Then held them back to breed off. Did not want to lose my investment. Did not work for me. I steer clear of Amino acids/omegas etc because I do not know enough about them. I admire people who take the time to study them. Algae. Talk about that a while back. My birds have always fielded so never worry about that stuff. However, in a town or city were it is not practical would look in to it. Boosy. Birds recover fast! Again, congrats!
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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:36 pm

Phil. Appalling? A 300 miler or less could be a disaster with bad weather etc,. Have had birds come back just wiped out. Few weeks ago Fed was won by a bird doing 900 mpm or less. And he was on the short end. But I believe he will send them again regardless of the weather. They are bred to fly. Not every race is a good one weather wise. But how do you know what you have unless you send? Remember one guy in the UK did not race them until yearlings. Then not too much. Same as 3 year olds. But at 4 they went the distance and he won a lot. Some of his birds were 8 or so. And won. So, whatever path one wants to follow.
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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:41 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:26 am

Facebook - more like Face-plop! I have never come across so much rubbish in such a little space as face-ache/facebook.

Also - Sometimes pigeons win good races DESPITE what the fancier does to them. NOT because of what the fancier does!

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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:13 am

Yeah I will give the fancier a call that took the first 3 from Thurso with yearlings that they did that DESPITE what he did.
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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:07 am

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Yeah I will give the fancier a call that took the first 3 from Thurso with yearlings that they did that DESPITE what he did.



I did say SOMETIMES - but What-ever!

Steve - you said this - "If I knew knew it was going to be a smash I wouldn't have sent her"

What makes you say it was a Smash? Why do you think it was a smash - Or by a Smash, do you mean it was a hard or tough race?

To me, a Smash is where our birds get mixed up with a whole load of other birds going in the other direction or they hit terrible weather.

Have I missed some posting where it was said that either of the two mentioned occurrences happened.

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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:39 am

Who knows what happens when they travel over 500 miles, theres only a few pigeons home after the 2nd day , I call it a smash, you call it what you want.
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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:12 am

pigeon racing is about opinions and learning from what you have or have not done ...I suppose the the question to ask is would you send a yearling again to thurso some guys do really well with distance yearlings but then they are specialist flyers with a proven family me a 300 mile race over that anyday ...also our phil understands feed and his opinions on it are much respected at the end of the day the girls home brave girl to and no doubt queen of the loft now well done tumley for supplying the bird and to steve for caring for it all season one thing I do realise is steve does love his birds ...I told you lads this stud has some really good blood if yer after ybs next year look no further atb
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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:27 am

As always - Darren is the sound of reason - And tactful to boot.

Well done.

I guess, at the end of the day - 'one has to do what one wants, or thinks is right, with ones pigeons'. Come hell or waters high.

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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:40 am

Exactly Phil!
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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:28 am

Phil. Hope you have calmed down somewhat? Flip-Flop or Facebook. There are many pigeon sites on Facebook. Rick Mardis posts occasionally in one. Over here they are American or Canadian. UK one I was in was Irish I believe but too much advertising. Raptor attacks on racing pigeons is another one in the US. Not just the UK with the problem. I am always willing to learn how other people do it. No matter what Continent. Keep an open mind as you should. Nothing is written in black and white. Many shades of grey. What works for one may not work for another person. Folks on this site have good ideas etc,. Same with other sites. Have a preference for this site. No B.S. This is one of the Facebook sites I visit. American.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/901535363246384/
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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:49 am

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Please let me know how the Tumley bird got on - I have a nice Tumley cock (similar way bred) that would go well with your hen.  He has already bred me a cock that beat the French National Champion.

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Phil, I kept you up to date with my Tumley hen because you asked me to. There were approximate 10 birds home in the Essex Combine on the day.
In my club today (day 2) at the 3pm strike there's only 7 birds home, I wasn't there long but the man that took the first 4 called me this morning when he had 3 home to tell me they were all yearlings.

If I knew knew it was going to be a smash I wouldn't have sent her, but I still would have sent my 2 year old, and she's still missing.
No one on here cares more about there birds than me.

Who knows where she's been, or where the hundreds of missing pigeons are tonight?  Nobody.

She's will get plenty of tlc now, she's been in the hospital hutch all afternoon so she could rest for a while without getting jossled on her perch, she had a very light feed and dioralite in her water to replace her body salts. She's back in the loft at dusk and will have dioralites in front of her for a couple of days.

Don't ask me to let you know how a bird gets on and then ask if I think it's good that she's in such a state, of course I don't, I can't see anywhere where i say I think it's good, I'm gutted she's in such a state, and also very proud that she came home in front of all those hundreds of 2,3,4,5 and six year olds that are still searching for home.
Maybe their owners that sent those older birds with their stronger bodies and stronger constitutions are wondering where they are.
A very respected distance fancier in my club hasn't clocked in yet he's still waiting for he's pigeon that was 4th Combine Stonehaven last year.
Don't try to tell me he dosnt know how to prepare a pigeon for a long race, if you started cracking on about omega 3 and omega 6 to him he would laugh he's head off.[/quote] Smile Smile Mr omega 3/6  lol! lol! lol! Old school type Boosey I take it etc. A wonder any pigeons flew the distance type races before the advent of the internet/facebook as such with the waffle one reads these days on how one must do things to be successful. Smash type races have been around for 100 odd years & nothing will change in the next 100 years I suspect.
Except the flyers flying them, who will always have my admiration for taken up the challenge there.  cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:13 am

Hal - in reply, firstly, you ask if I have calmed down - I wasn't 'calmed up'!! Just passionate. I think everybody on this forum is passionate about racing pigeons, some are more passionate about just pigeons, some people like to keep pigeons but don't want to race.

I, on the other hand, keep pigeons to race. I am ultra-competitive. But I don't just want to win, I also like the competition. I am the kind of guy that would rather be a medium size fish in a very BIG pond, than a big fish in a tiny pond.

Re Facebook - I admit, I have a very jaded idea of facebook - It is full of people that have no lives at all, and don't know how to organise theirs, but stick their noses into other people's lives, give them advice and generally make a nuisance of themselves.

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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:25 pm

My apologies. Facebook for the most part is garbage. Canadian Racing pigeon Union has a Facebook page. So have other Feds etc,. Keeps one informed of quick breaking news. Fed site posts times of release and weather etc,. Official times. No more of the old days when would phone and get a guestimate or down right lie. (Late release, do not look for birds etc,.)
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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:15 pm

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My apologies. Facebook for the most part is garbage. Canadian Racing pigeon Union has a Facebook page. So have other Feds etc,. Keeps one informed of quick breaking news. Fed site posts times of release and weather etc,. Official times. No more of the old days when would phone and get a guestimate or down right lie. (Late release, do not look for birds etc,.)



Hal - can I make one thing clear - I am referring to Facebook - NOT all those wonderful clubs, associations and groups that take advantage of its world-wide readership.

I am absolutely sure that if one can find a good site within facebook's many pages, then one can keep up with all the very latest news and actions.

It is just that when I used to go onto my facebook account, I would see HUNDREDS of things I have not put on MY section - people's adverts, enticements galore for this and that and dozens of people wanting to 'Friend' me.  I am sure there are people that just 'collect' so called friends for no reason at all, only to add to the 1000's of people that they already have.

Also - I cannot find a way to view some of these wonderful associations and clubs without telling the world who I am.  Is there a way that for example - I could look at the site you mentioned WITHOUT logging in?

I have just clicked on the 'Racing Breeders Forum' - and all I get is a basically blank page with some members mentioned down the right hand side.

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PostSubject: Re: Yearlings to Thurso   Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:38 am

They have just changed the name. Used to be Continental Breeding Station site.
This one is local. Up North Combine. Not sure about reading without logging in though.
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