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PostSubject: Re: Hens make the loft?   Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:23 am

Phil. Do not get stressed out! Re-locating and all that goes with it tends to make people grumpy. Personally I do not care if you have a Masters in the study of genetics, inheritance traits whatever. I doubt if many on the Forum care also. If you have studied all the aspects of pigeon racing, breeding feeding whatever and applying that knowledge to gaining success , as you apparently did in France, then the members here (me anyway) would like to know how you did it. In simple terms. No one is shooting you down. Why would they? Your input is greatly appreciated. Many on here have had finches, other livestock. They have looked at genetics closely. Many, as I, understand the basic principles. The nuances are different. Interpretation is different. This is a Forum were most if not all members want to know the best way to have success. But there are so many variations it is almost impossible to have a winning system, breeding or racing, that suits all.
Genetics. My son will be visiting this weekend. He manages a herd of over 2000 sows. Plus the offspring etc,. All computerized feeding etc,.etc,. The company uses an African bloodline that doubles the litter size. 10 to 20 2.5 times a year. However, they are constantly improving the genetics. Less mortality, faster growth etc, etc,. They sell the young females and boars world wide. Premium price. So, last thing I will avoid asking my son is “how are the genetics working out?” He would be here a week explaining!!
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PostSubject: Re: Hens make the loft?   Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:35 am

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Right - let us get things right from the start - In pigeons, they don’t have an XY or XX chromosome sex determination system like humans.

They have a ZW system.  The hen carries the Z and the W and the cock only carries the ZZ.

So therefore, it is a biological FACT that the female pigeon is the one that governs the sex of the bird.  

But, that does NOT mean that the hen has anything to do with the ability or otherwise of the bird to race well.

Furthermore - the female pigeon (the mother) does not have anything to do with how good or bad a racing pigeon is at racing or breeding.

I have LOTS more information on what really makes a good racer or breeder, but it's a bit complicated.

Phil
Interesting info Phil etc Smile Smile But as much as we appreciate all your input here, please don't take umbrage when some like myself find it heavy going trying to understand it all as such. For me Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes I'm a KISS type of guy bounce bounce. & XY XX ZW or ZZ I will just leave to those fortunate enough to understand it all. Final note  Smile  Smile I just wonder what Darwin is thinking  Wink  Wink. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Hens make the loft?   Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:50 am

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Phil. Do not get stressed out! Re-locating and all that goes with it tends to make people grumpy. Personally I do not care if you have a Masters in the study of genetics, inheritance traits whatever. I doubt if many on the Forum care also. If you have studied all the aspects of pigeon racing, breeding feeding whatever and applying that knowledge to gaining success , as you apparently did in France, then the members here (me anyway) would like to know how you did it. In simple terms. No one is shooting you down. Why would they? Your input is greatly appreciated. Many on here have had finches, other livestock. They have looked at genetics closely. Many, as I, understand the basic principles. The nuances are different. Interpretation is different. This is a Forum were most if not all members want to know the best way to have success. But there are so many variations it is almost impossible to have a winning system, breeding or racing, that suits all.
Genetics. My son will be visiting this weekend. He manages a herd of over 2000 sows. Plus the offspring etc,.  All computerized feeding etc,.etc,. The company uses an African bloodline that doubles the litter size. 10 to 20 2.5 times a year. However, they are constantly improving the genetics. Less mortality, faster growth etc, etc,. They sell the young females and boars world wide. Premium price. So, last thing I will avoid asking my son is “how are the genetics working out?” He would be here a week explaining!!


Can I just remind you and any others interested in the genetics of racing pigeons - that the genetics of BIRDS and other animals are COMPLETELY different!

Pigs, cows and humans 'may' share some similarities - but the chromosomes and genetics of racing PIGEONS and most birds are not the same.

The problem is 'It is NOT simple' - it is very complicated at times.  It would take me many hours to try and explain it in monosyllabic terms and even then, may not succeed.

The I get members saying STOP Phil, I can't take it any more (or words to that effect)

By the way Darren - my rant had nothing to do with what YOU said.  It was mainly a comment
from someone else.

I think out of all the members we have , only about 3 or 4 are really interested in some of the deeper points I try to make.  So let us leave it at that.

Those that want to learn a bit more can read my stuff, those who don't want to know - DON'T read it at all. But don't put stuff like:-

Please Phil Stop, no more I'm utterley confused with what you have already written etc above. cheers.


All the best for your pigeon future.

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PostSubject: Re: Hens make the loft?   Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:11 am

phil, I don't think the member who said "Please Phil Stop, no more I'm utterley confused with what you have already written etc above. cheers." was being offensive to you, or making a snipe at you....in fact I`d go so far as I`m pretty certain he wasn't.

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PostSubject: Re: Hens make the loft?   Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:58 am

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phil, I don't think the member who said "Please Phil Stop, no more I'm utterley confused with what you have already written etc above. cheers." was being offensive to you, or making a snipe at you....in fact I`d go so far as I`m pretty certain  he wasn't.

Smile Smile I suspect your right David Wink Wink In fact Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes I would bet my house on it etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Hens make the loft?   Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:11 am

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phil, I don't think the member who said "Please Phil Stop, no more I'm utterley confused with what you have already written etc above. cheers." was being offensive to you, or making a snipe at you....in fact I`d go so far as I`m pretty certain  he wasn't.

Smile Smile I suspect your right David Wink Wink In fact Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes I would bet my house on it etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Hens make the loft?   Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:42 am

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David wrote:
phil, I don't think the member who said "Please Phil Stop, no more I'm utterley confused with what you have already written etc above. cheers." was being offensive to you, or making a snipe at you....in fact I`d go so far as I`m pretty certain  he wasn't.

Smile Smile I suspect your right David Wink Wink In fact Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes I would bet my house on it etc.
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