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PostSubject: Clean or deep litter?   Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:25 am

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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:37 am

halcanada wrote:
This article from a top flier.
http://nebula.wsimg.com/2eb1252410bcd8d383be0a6e2cd39847?AccessKeyId=B535E782F86E3CD642BE&disposition=0&alloworigin=1
Rom Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Smile Smile Please do me a favour Wink Wink & stick this topic in your memory bank etc bounce bounce & then, just make sure you never forget it as such Smile Smile.  cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:17 am

Bacteria will be there weather you scrape out daily or your on deep litter, a loft is never that clean.
I'm for cleaning out race team and ybs but stock is deep litter out of lazynes Embarassed

Fair enough if you have not got time....
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:50 am

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Bacteria will be there weather you scrape out daily or your on deep litter, a loft is never that clean.
I'm for cleaning out race team and ybs but stock is deep litter out of lazynes Embarassed

Fair enough if you have not got time....
True FW Smile Smile Truth be told Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes I was a slave to the scaper all my working life etc here & Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad what made it worse for me, I went to work in the dark & then come home after dark as such for most of the racing season here, with all scaping/cleaning & feeding by light's in the darkness. 40 odd years of pain Wink Wink but then I got smart in my old age Smile Smile & went deep litter as such & thou my body now is absolutely  knackered Smile Smile completely Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes I'm happy, happy happy now lol! lol!  lol! & so are my birds Smile Smile.   cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:37 am

used horse bedding for the last few years, its nice when its new, but quickly gets dusty and horrible, even if you rake through every couple of days.........also never had so many health problems with the birds since ive used deep litter, now im back to scraping out ...........its better for the birds and for me.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:22 am

Yeah Iv used cosy bed good at first but a pain when it comes to chucking out...my friend nearly chokes when i get him to clean that out.
Well he shouldnt ask if he can help lol Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:27 am

send him over to mine walker, ive still 2 sections with it in.........horrible stuff Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:38 am

Ha ha it takes him awhile to recover Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:44 am

my biggest problem is getting rid of it.......I usually put it in the black wheely bin but its pretty heavy and takes up quite a bit of room, tried burning it but it doesn't burn. No No
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:51 am

have found the deep litter gets a bit damp in our climate during the winter ,mind you my lofts are well ventilated but now wet as such ...so have used sand this year and much prefer it
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:14 am

first year scraping while paired up, used deep litter and ok with it, just prefer scraping daily
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:23 am

Not a fan of deep litter Rather clean them once a day Save flies Accumulating in the loft And any chances of diseases if you've got a poorly pigeon And it sh*t on the floor You can get your pigeon right But the disease is already on the floor still Until you clean it up But that's my point of view
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:04 pm

yes true jet, always thought the same thing about droppings being hidden in deep litter.....any wet droppings are not as easily noticed, like on a scraped floor.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:56 pm

I like a clean floor and boxes always have nothing wrong with deep litter though just like the sound of a scraper going dave that's the reason your lofts take so long to complete your always cleaning out
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:27 pm

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I like a clean floor and boxes always have nothing wrong with deep litter though just like the sound of a scraper going dave that's the reason your lofts take so long to complete your always cleaning out


you might be right mark, by the time ive cleaned out, fed and watered ive no time time left to build the new loft No No
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:01 am

This may be of interest. One of my daughters just started work on a quail farm. About 2 miles from here. Anyway. Asked her a lot of questions, as usual. Eggs are laid there, chicks moved into the large barn. They grow there and when big enough are taken across the yard to the processing plant. They are blessed by a rabbi, some are blessed by a Muslim Holy man etc etc,. They are for meat and whatever the carcasses are destined to have to have these rituals. So the growth period. They have constant food and water. Are in a controlled environment. They spend their growing phase on deep litter. Straw in this case. seldom cleaned out but not sure of that. My daughter asked the manager "why straw?" His reply was "Used to have clean floors. Switched to straw 5 years ago. Mortality has dropped down to 6%. Used to be 30% plus."
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:16 am

But how far do they race lol prob full of meds and quick grow feed and dead in 6 weeks on the plate the next...
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:29 am

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But how far do they race lol prob full of meds and quick grow feed and dead in 6 weeks on the plate the next...
Understand your point of view FW Smile Smile. Levi etc, kept 20,000 odd pigeons on deep litter as such in his time & one of his main medications for decease Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes was  
Bi-carbonate of soda, every week. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:10 pm

scraped floor for me.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:26 pm

Interesting read that hal wouldn't have thought it would have made that much difference what they were bedded down on
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:31 pm

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This may be of interest. One of my daughters just started work on a quail farm. About 2 miles from  here. Anyway. Asked her a lot of questions, as usual. Eggs are laid there, chicks moved into the large barn. They grow there and when big enough are taken across the yard to the processing plant. They are blessed by a rabbi, some are blessed by a Muslim Holy man etc etc,. They are for meat and whatever the carcasses are destined to have to have these rituals. So the growth period. They have constant food and water. Are in a controlled environment. They spend their growing phase on deep litter. Straw in this case. seldom cleaned out but not sure of that. My daughter asked the manager "why straw?" His reply was "Used to have clean floors. Switched to straw 5 years ago. Mortality has dropped down to 6%. Used to be 30% plus."


all I`d say to that hal is, ritual slaughter should be banned , one thing I hate is animal cruelty.......... Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:27 am

Guess straw is the preferred method. Not so dusty, I have to assume.
David. Way back when worked in a slaughter house in the UK. Some cattle were blessed by Rabbis and throat slit by them as per ritual. They took a while to die and bleed out. The regular cattle and animals were first shot between the eyes with a stun gun. Like a pistol, .22 cartridge. Shot out a steel retractable bolt. Then throat cut. Much more humane. Also worked on a line here in Canada. Turkeys, chickens whatever came through. Hanging upside down on a moving line. I cut their throats. 1 every few seconds. I bought chickens today and ducks. When I eat them I do not think about how they were killed. Just how they taste.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:34 am

yep, animals suffer, just to satisfy barbaric religious cults.... Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:52 am

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yep, animals suffer, just to satisfy barbaric religious cults.... Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
I agree totally. Just had a Halal nutter type here, mow down 20 odd people in his car yesterday etc 2nd one Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Screaming muslim rant's as he did it & we are to believe it's all OK Wink Wink Allah, has given his approval. The scum bag type I talk about, we allowed into our country as a refugee 10 years ago & this is how he repays us all for all our generosity. Now Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes while I'm in the rant mood Wink Wink we have a multitude of Sudenese types running rampant here in the streets & they tell us it's their right, as they are all bored with our way of living as such. Genuine refugees Smile Smile I would be happy to have them living besides me here & would welcome them if they were prepared to play by our rules/lifestyle. The scum bag types, I would send on a fast boat to North Korea & then hope Trump lives up to what he said he will do, with that nutter there Wink Wink.  cheers Smile Smile.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean or deep litter?   Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:17 am

Yeah its been on the news what happend in oz.
It will get worse give it a few more years and it will be like the uk...
A human dumping ground .
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