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PostSubject: Re: Darkness anyone   Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:42 am

never had y/b sickness, darkness first time last year, cant compete unless you on it so no brainer for us
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PostSubject: Re: Darkness anyone   Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:09 pm

David wrote:
chuda wrote:
Mine were on the darkness and I missed the first three races, as I work and couldn't them trained and I still won all four races that I sent to. 1st race I was 1,2 3, the got ybs so missed the next two races and won the next three races.

so how far did you jump them into the 4th race ...?

The fourth race they came back to Newark, I got yb sickness the missed two races and jump them into Reed 138 miles .
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PostSubject: Re: Darkness anyone   Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:25 pm

so long as the birds get 13 hours darkness that's all they need then do it at a time that best suits you ybs take about 9 weeks to body moult ours go on the dark end of march and take them off early June, gradually over 1 week exposing them to more light
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PostSubject: Re: Darkness anyone   Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:41 am

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PostSubject: Re: Darkness anyone   Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:37 am

We are going on the dark and get problems every year with ybs..but we just deal with it now..part of pigeon racing now I,m afraid
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PostSubject: Re: Darkness anyone   Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:44 am

It's weird that some get the yb sickness badly, and others seem to never get it, ourselves , so far only the odd couple of birds, others in the club always get it and have to miss races
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PostSubject: Re: Darkness anyone   Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:06 am

the thing with young bird sickness is that any ailment in the ybs gets bracketed under "young bird sickness" according to dutch and Belgian avian vets theirs no such thing theirs always an answer either adeno coli syndrome ,candida ,salmonella etc....its the fanciers that call it young bird sickness because they don't know what they have ,I think a lot of its down to treating the old birds with a antibiotic prior to pairing (parastop etc...)and not treating for candida afterwards or for not long enough as it cant be good treating just before pairing with a antibiotic ,it must upset the birds natural bacterias on the eve of pairing ,ok they have some time before the ybs hatch out but is their a fungal issue lurking in the parents that gets passed on when they feed the crop milk Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: Darkness anyone   Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:59 pm

oldstrain wrote:
the thing with young bird sickness is that any ailment in the ybs gets bracketed under "young bird sickness" according to dutch and Belgian avian vets theirs no such thing theirs always an answer either adeno coli syndrome ,candida ,salmonella etc....its the fanciers that call it young bird sickness because they don't know what they have ,I think a lot of its down to treating the old birds  with a antibiotic prior to pairing (parastop etc...)and not treating for candida afterwards or for not long enough as it cant be good treating just before pairing with a antibiotic ,it must upset the birds natural bacterias on the eve of pairing ,ok they have some time before the ybs hatch out but is their a fungal issue lurking in the parents that gets passed on when they feed the crop milk Suspect

Interesting Daz

Daz the only reason fanciers call it YBS is because it happens with the youngsters

If it happened with the old birds it would OBS
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PostSubject: Re: Darkness anyone   Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:28 am

Don. Daz. Agree. So the question or answer is ? How to prevent it? Medicines? OB's do not get it why? Has to be basic immunity. Seems the logical answer to me. How to achieve that? Obviously exposure to underlying causes. Deep litter, sanitised loft? No easy answer. A sparkling clean sterile loft will still have enough bugs/bacteria in it to give some degree of immunity. So? Better pigeons? Never ending quest.
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PostSubject: Re: Darkness anyone   Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:48 am

hal ...I always use a deep litter for the ybs low exposure to ailments,i do treat ybs for canker, cocci ,worms also old birds ,wormer is used here more than anything else at least 4 times a year,answer ...keep on top all year round with pre and probiotics and if theirs no problem don't treat for one ...worms open the door for damaging bacteria especially salmonella have had birds come here looking like their on deaths door and a worming has put them right ,new arrivals different story should treat for sake of the rest but try and get yer new stock well before breeding not weeks before when all the sales are on ,can you imagine the birds make up after getting antibiotic for at least 7 days then treatment for candida(nystatin) then cankered then a cocci treatment and then wormed ,the bird will be far from ready for breeding imo and all this treating in a matter of weeks through December as a rule else they would still be in the moult ,how on earth can guys have eggs and babies in the nest at xmas time .obviously the birds have not had time to recover from all those treatments so what are they passing on to their young in the way of immunity Suspect and of course theirs the vaccination here to that needs to be done at least 4 weeks prior to pairing and not during the moult
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PostSubject: Re: Darkness anyone   Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:55 am

Only came across it in the 90s with darkening..
Only get it now with darkening..
Is the imunity system not up and running when they have to grow a new suit...
Bone structure changes too..
So there flat as a witches boob and the least thing is magnified...
Morning sickness for pigeons...
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PostSubject: Re: Darkness anyone   Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:58 pm

I think darkness is now here to stay, if fanciers want to race the full yb programme it seems to be the only way to go, if the next bloke is doing it then so have you sort of attitude, I'm not the sort of guy that treats birds with whatever meds are going, just the usual, canker, cocci,worms and if they have yb sickness then use something, never have and probably never will use antibiotics on them, so it will be a natural build up of their immune systems and in a couple of years we hope to have birds that are tough enough to shake an illness off on their own
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PostSubject: Re: Darkness anyone   Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:09 pm

fair shout roy my sentiments exactly
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PostSubject: Re: Darkness anyone   Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:50 pm

Common sense I think daz, from what I've read and heard in the time I've got the birds back,it seems to be the norm now to throw every sort of med going at them " just in case" , can't be doing them any good in the long run, my darkness birds were fine last year apart from them couple and they weren't that bad
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