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PostSubject: Water Treatments on Return   Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:30 pm

does any one put something in the water upon return from a race, incase they pick something up in the race basket etc, or do they not bother as being in the basket wont harm them...?
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:48 pm

Only thing we use is honey and lemon juice as a pick me up, anything they pick up in the baskets we hope their immune systems will fight it off
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:50 pm

does anyone think the birds can pick up something nasty ?, fanciers sometimes do send ill birds racing..........
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:50 pm

Yes, definitely David, they do send birds not well enough to race, sick, it's shocking to say the least, I know it happens because I've put birds through and the owner has said to me that the bird isn't right, it's why I try and sent our limit of 25 , so I have a race basket to myself
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:16 pm

Fanciers cannot put theirs all in one basket here. So they are always mixed up.
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:19 pm

First drink electrolyte in the water if a channel race then treat with a 4 in1 if a land race just electrolyte
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:31 pm

I think you need to be careful whatever you put in because when a bird returns, especially on a harder or hotter day, the pigeons always drink a lot more than usual maybe 4 or 5 times more. Might end up overdosing them.
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:39 pm

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I think you need to be careful whatever you put in because when a bird returns, especially on a harder or hotter day, the pigeons always drink a lot more than usual maybe 4 or 5 times more. Might end up overdosing them.

how about the day after colin...?
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:03 pm

David wrote:
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I think you need to be careful whatever you put in because when a bird returns, especially on a harder or hotter day, the pigeons always drink a lot more than usual maybe 4 or 5 times more. Might end up overdosing them.

how about the day after colin...?

Likely be fine David or even later in day on return race day. Channel races I used to put homemade electrolytes in ready for return, I can't remember exactly recipe but it was along lines of 40 parts glucose, 1 part bicarb, 1 part lo-salt and never freezing cold water straight out tap, always stood a while or bit warm water to take chill off.
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:52 pm

inland...i used to have an iodine solution in the water first drink ( just enough to colour the water).
after an hour, electrolytes equistro (horse) 5g a 2ltr drinker.
channel ultimate and electrolytes.
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:06 pm

are these just to put electrolytes etc back into them, or in case they may have picked up something in the race panniers ...?
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:15 pm

iodine to kill any germs hopefully electrolytes to replace any salts etc.
doesnt have to be a warm day to dehydrate
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:19 pm

ah right, thanks for the info f/walker....... cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:48 pm

Full pdf is way to  long. But here is a reply to microbacteria.

Roger Ven Soriano TorresGroup Admin These articles should seriously make one think everytime one uses or prescribes an antibiotic indiscriminately. So called "cleaning up" the breeders before the season and the YB race season who eventually are stocked. To see OLR returns at best at 53% and worst below 10%, makes one wonder if it is truly the "professional handlers" flaws or that of the breeders. But then when one "invest" on these imports costing thousands of dollars, one has to protect their STOCK value. It is up to the fancier breeder to prioritize their moral compass and goals. The quest for vigor, vitality, cognitive superiority or the value of your stock investment for sale! Hope the article above by my colleague and friend Robert Corish, M.D., a former professional soccer player in UK , helps.
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:19 pm

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Only thing we use is honey and lemon juice as a pick me up, anything they pick up in the baskets we hope their immune systems will fight it off

Lofty I have been saying the same thing for a long time on here the only I used was always Honey and Lemon the best natural pick me up you could give your pigeons
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:21 am

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Lofty wrote:
Only thing we use is honey and lemon juice as a pick me up, anything they pick up in the baskets we hope their immune systems will fight it off

Lofty I have been saying the same thing for a long time on here the only I used was always Honey and Lemon the best natural pick me up you could give your pigeons
For me Smile Smile kind on Saturday (race day) treat on Sunday etc. switch between Bi-carb soda & povidine iodine. 2 cheapies, that have stood the test of time from my perspective. Now Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Smile Smile Electrolytes  lol! lol! lol! I really scratch my head with this one & go Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad & think to myself, has the pigeon world gone crazy "Big time" Smile Smile. If people here with my tempretures on race day don't use them as such & have success. Why in god's name Smile Smile would anyone with your tempretures there Don use them. I just put it down to that feel good thing, more so for the owner I suspect Wink Wink.  cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:34 am

I use electrolytes about once a week or so in the winter. Just for the minerals etc,.
Honey on its own puts mucous in the throat. With lemon juice it does not.
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:34 am

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Don Webb wrote:
Lofty wrote:
Only thing we use is honey and lemon juice as a pick me up, anything they pick up in the baskets we hope their immune systems will fight it off

Lofty I have been saying the same thing for a long time on here the only I used was always Honey and Lemon the best natural pick me up you could give your pigeons
For me Smile Smile kind on Saturday (race day) treat on Sunday etc. switch between Bi-carb soda & povidine iodine. 2 cheapies, that have stood the test of time from my perspective. Now Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Smile Smile Electrolytes  lol! lol! lol! I really scratch my head with this one & go Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad & think to myself, has the pigeon world gone crazy "Big time" Smile Smile. If people here with my tempretures on race day don't use them as such & have success. Why in god's name Smile Smile would anyone with your tempretures there Don use them. I just put it down to that feel good thing, more so for the owner I suspect Wink Wink.  cheers

Knackered when pigeons have raced hard to get home then they need that pick me up regards what temperatures they have to race in, any athlete needs a pick me up to recover better from
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:12 am

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Don Webb wrote:
Lofty wrote:
Only thing we use is honey and lemon juice as a pick me up, anything they pick up in the baskets we hope their immune systems will fight it off

Lofty I have been saying the same thing for a long time on here the only I used was always Honey and Lemon the best natural pick me up you could give your pigeons
For me Smile Smile kind on Saturday (race day) treat on Sunday etc. switch between Bi-carb soda & povidine iodine. 2 cheapies, that have stood the test of time from my perspective. Now Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Smile Smile Electrolytes  lol! lol! lol! I really scratch my head with this one & go Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad & think to myself, has the pigeon world gone crazy "Big time" Smile Smile. If people here with my tempretures on race day don't use them as such & have success. Why in god's name Smile Smile would anyone with your tempretures there Don use them. I just put it down to that feel good thing, more so for the owner I suspect Wink Wink.  cheers

Knackered when pigeons have raced hard to get home then they need that pick me up regards what temperatures they have to race in, any athlete needs a pick me up to recover better from  
exhaustion
True Smile Smile but much of the sh*te people put in front of them on return I suspect Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes has a negative effect/factor in the long run from my perspective Don Smile Smile.
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:22 am

It is debatable. Bicarb soda makes for less acid in the gut. ACV is neutralised. So logically it suppress the acidic gut that prevents bad bacteria forming.
But if one feels good doing it why not?
Why not leave as is? Rest and good food should accomplish the same result.
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:34 am

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It is debatable. Bicarb soda makes for less acid in the gut. ACV is neutralised. So logically it suppress the acidic gut that prevents bad bacteria forming.
But if one feels good doing it why not?
Why not leave as is? Rest and good food should accomplish the sameresult.
Bring the science factor/experts into anything Hal Smile Smile & I go missing big time on what picture they try too paint etc Wink Wink. Name most things with pigeons & somehow some one will have a postive/negative view from my perspective  Smile  Smile.
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:40 am

I do not treat birds on return from a race. No matter the distance or time on the wing. May happen that after a tough one, treated on return, they look good enough to go the following week. When perhaps they are not?
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:42 am

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Yes, definitely David, they do send birds not well enough to race, sick, it's shocking to say the least, I know it happens because I've put birds through and the owner has said to me that the bird isn't right, it's why I try and sent our limit of 25 , so I have a race basket to myself
I've read about that basket per flyer thing there Lofty Wink Wink I just Smile Smile Smile Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes etc. Never happen down here as such, & when you just think about all your health issues in your local area. It doesn't really appear to be achieving all that much from my perspective Wink Wink.
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PostSubject: Re: Water Treatments on Return   Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:01 pm

halcanada wrote:
Full pdf is way to  long. But here is a reply to microbacteria.

Roger Ven Soriano TorresGroup Admin These articles should seriously make one think everytime one uses or prescribes an antibiotic indiscriminately. So called "cleaning up" the breeders before the season and the YB race season who eventually are stocked. To see OLR returns at best at 53% and worst below 10%, makes one wonder if it is truly the "professional handlers" flaws or that of the breeders. But then when one "invest" on these imports costing thousands of dollars, one has to protect their STOCK value. It is up to the fancier breeder to prioritize their moral compass and goals. The quest for vigor, vitality, cognitive superiority or the value of your stock investment for sale! Hope the article above by my colleague and friend Robert Corish, M.D., a former professional soccer player in UK , helps.

plenty treating with antibiotics prior to pairing ,I know I keep banging the drum but this treatment to rid the breeders of salmonella etc if the birds are ok after pmv vaccination then leave well alone that's why mine get their pmv vaccination in early December just before pairing,treating just in case will only have adverse effects ,regards electrolytes I only use them on birds that return late and are exhausted and in the shape of de weerds belgasol
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