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PostSubject: Same old? Thoughts folks.   Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:23 am

Training young birds. When they are flying well usually will toss them 5 miles to start. Last few years started them at 15. No problems. Later bred were started at 20 when the older ones went there. However thinking this way. Young birds out today first time. As you know some are just over two months old. Hawk around so not out more than two hours. They came in themselves. Weather permitting, will let them out every reasonable day. Raptors will be around but they should be able to avoid them. If this happens and the snow clears, will jump them to 15 miles at the end of the week. From first time out to 15 miles. Probably they are not flying very long in that time. What do I hope to accomplish? Cut out the less smart ones. 15 miles is not far. Older ones and others should do it. Need the ones who can figure out way home in good time. Lose some? Yes of course! But lose them now or later. Numbers back in good time? Probably very few. 14 to go. Next good day 20 miles. I assume the first home from 15 will be there. Probably lose one or two more. As stated, have to eradicate a lot of birds this year. Pay to ship young birds and lose them or lose them now.
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PostSubject: Re: Same old? Thoughts folks.   Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:30 am

that's kinda how i do it too hal. once they are getting strength in their wings and some coordination then it's in the basket and 10 miles, the dumb one follow the smart ones but single tosses later helps sort that out to a degree
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PostSubject: Re: Same old? Thoughts folks.   Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:47 am

morb. Easier to cut out the baby steps. But many still do the 1 mile then double etc,. But if it works for them fine.
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PostSubject: Re: Same old? Thoughts folks.   Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:13 am

halcanada wrote:
morb. Easier to cut out the baby steps. But many still do the 1 mile then double etc,. But if it works for them fine.
Some times think, there is more danger starting off at 1 mile Hal etc than going 10/15/20 miles to start. Classic from last year here Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes The face book champ Wink Wink felt rather brave, blow home type day & he then took his champs 2/3 miles from home & lost 100 odd I'm affraid Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad for his first toss. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Same old? Thoughts folks.   Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:06 am

I can well understand having to start training young birds at different distances when they have been fastened up for 90% of their young life and deprived of the sunlight that is essential for all animals welfare etc;

I often never put a young bird into a training basket prior to racing and when I did it was 40 miles South and 35 miles North.


I have jumped pigeons 300 miles and lost very few.

like a car, maintain it right from the start, use the correct maintenance, the right fuel. and enough of it and the distance does not matter, and of course have the right kind of car.


I missed replying to the egg, swapping.

Even when I was very young I had many types of animals and in particular other than my first love, pigeons, I kept hens and bantams, at that time there were Polish eggs that were stamped, the hens were not supposed to have access to a cock bird for fear of someone hatching them and spreading decease, guess what, I did hatch some and got bantams with very fine tuffs on their heads.

You can remove any egg before it has chance to start incubating and it will be hatch able until it goes bad.

Many fanciers buy eggs rather than youngsters, because they believe as I have said for over 40 years, that he feeding of the young is as important as the parents and free flying parents are better than those locked up 24 hours a day.

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PostSubject: Re: Same old? Thoughts folks.   Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:00 pm

I like to take the babies to the outskirts of town first about 5 miles just once or twice then 10 miles for another 3 then 4 or 5 at 22 miles then into first race after about 10 tosses usually ...works well for me atb
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PostSubject: Re: Same old? Thoughts folks.   Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:08 pm

"I can well understand having to start training young birds at different distances when they have been fastened up for 90% of their young life and deprived of the sunlight that is essential for all animals welfare etc"
They have had access to the aviary since birth.
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