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PostSubject: Dead in Egg   Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:52 am

Has anybody had eggs with dead babies inside?

We have had two eggs that have certainly started to develop, then the embryo has died!

I put this down to the cold snap we had and maybe the hen not sitting tight enough during the night.

What about you guys.

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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:44 am

none dead in the shell but a few clear ones here...can be a sign of paratyphoid/salmonella if theirs a large percentage whats called a large percentage I don't know but if only 2 I would not worry to much and as you say could be the cold snap we had
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:25 pm

Where they treat for canker before pairing up? are they from the same pair? have the access to a bath?
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:10 pm

Have they bred ok for you before ? Or are they new in or yearlings?
Cold spell would have knocked a few back I imagine unless you have luxury of heated lofts. Inexperienced yearlings sometimes don't turn the eggs enough during incubation and yb's go bad in the egg.
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:08 pm

I had it for the first time last year, one hatched and one didn’t. But I put it down to the fact that I think the hen was paired to another hen in the hen section before I put her with her clock and she laid 2 days before all my other hens, I think the cock must have only just fertilised the egg right on the brink of it being possible.
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:12 pm

Possibly what the other members have said but at the end of the day they just wasn't to be
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:32 pm

I would assume cold spell. As posted few months back, worst first hatch for many years. Mostly these are proven breeders. But on laying it was down to minus 30. 5 mins off the egg it was basically done for. They had feed in front of them at all times. So a few minutes down for water or whatever..eggs done. Usually they will sit the first egg closely. Experience in the cold.
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:26 am

markevans wrote:
Possibly what the other members have said but at the end of the day they just wasn't to be
One can worry worry about these small type situations Mark etc I suggest at breeding time. But best not to unless it's happening on a continual basis as such. Mr average, on average Wink Wink may have thoughts of a 100% hatch every time, but rarely achieved when you think of all the things that may go wrong when in the breeding circle with our birds. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:25 am

The couple of 'dead in eggs' we have had are new birds to us and to each other.

No heating in stock loft as we had no time to get around to doing it as we had only just moved in.

All stock birds treated for everything before pairing - but might have only been a couple of weeks after last treatment when they were paired.

The 2 dead-in-eggs were from different parents. The baby from the other egg that hatched seen OK and thriving. Yearlings only on one side.

I put it down to the cold snap we had.

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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:46 am

Didn't mention baths Phil...sometimes can't chip out thru lack of humidity
or might be just one of those things.
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:14 am

No, not possible to give the stock birds a bath at all right now. No room or place to put a bath the way the stock loft is set up. I will be building a new stock loft for next year, but that doesn't help me this year.

However, we have dunked the eggs in 'Blood Temperature' water a couple on minutes, for the last three days before their hatching date.

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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:51 am

I put wood shavings a couple of inches deep it’s great insulation, with the bird sitting on top it can’t get cold then with straw on top it’s perfect
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:01 pm

blueskylofts wrote:
No, not possible to give the stock birds a bath at all right now.  No room or place to put a bath the way the stock loft is set up.  I will be building a new stock loft for next year, but that doesn't help me this year.

However, we have dunked the eggs in 'Blood Temperature' water a couple on minutes, for the last three days before their hatching date.

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just spray the eggs with water while their still under the hen in the evening for last few days of incubation atb
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:15 pm

I just lightly spit on them even tho they get a weekly bath.. study
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:17 pm

out of 24 eggs, I got 3 that didn't hatch.........so quite happy with the % hatching.
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:20 pm

always some clear or chilled or dont chip out plenty time study
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:01 pm

I never look into why any don't hatch, they either hatch or they don't....... No No
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:00 pm

pair after pair of clear eggs from the same pair is a sign of woodworm......
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:36 am

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I just lightly spit on them even tho they get a weekly bath.. study
lol! lol! lol! Learnt that at school did we FW Smile Smile  lol!  lol!  lol! or is there a water shortage in your local area etc  Wink  Wink.
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:44 am

School???? Whats that??? lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:09 pm

Hi all been to open up this morning and found a new born dead on loft floor and one of my 2 week olds dead think cold got to that one as it was the smallest of them other thaan that got 6 more pairs with eggs so hope they will be ok
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:57 pm

hi denise, sorry to hear that......its been very cold for a while now, and it doesn't help the ybs in the nest, so like you say, the one that died was a small one, maybe just couldn't cope with the cold.

it happens to us all at some point, I had 2, day old ybs found dead on the floor, why ? I don't know..... No No
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:11 pm

David wrote:
hi denise, sorry to hear that......its been very cold for a while now, and it doesn't help the ybs in the nest, so like you say, the one that died was a small one, maybe just couldn't cope with the cold.

it happens to us all at some point, I had 2, day old ybs found dead on the floor, why ?  I don't know..... No No
just hope nothing happens to other one its made it harder for me with them been ill when i got them because the part of loft they are in now i was going to put nest boxes on wall but had to treat them and put them in it did not think they would breed so fast after their illness the little sods got 6 pairs on eggs now so looks like making boxxes out side and fitting them when birds have grown a bit
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:31 pm

any idea why the 2 week old died denise ...was their any blockage in the ybs throat ....as for the younger one could have tumbled out when parents leave the nest I have had this problem with large nests before atb
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PostSubject: Re: Dead in Egg   Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:41 pm

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any idea why the 2 week old died denise ...was their any blockage in the ybs throat ....as for the younger one could have tumbled out when parents leave the nest I have had this problem with large nests before atb
HI oldstrain dont know what was up but i think it could have been other pigeons because other day i saw one pinching their bits of hay out of nest even tho theres plenty in hut to go round but it has been trampled on as it was flat so i think a bit of bullying they are not laying in their nest pans they are just laying on floor but thats what im putting down to
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