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halcanada Youngbird
Posts : 4206 Join date : 2014-03-12 Age : 84 Location : Southern Ontario. Canada.
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:18 am | |
| Misty. Replying to your comments. You are right. Older folk do not want to travel too often. I mentioned this last year at the beginning of the season when the club asked me why I did not clock off. When I could have placed in the top 10 many times. Told them, figured I did not have a winning time so why drive an hour there and then back an hour? So they got together without me knowing then asked me if I could read clock tapes. Said sure. So they told me this. Open your clock, read your times and email them to the club secratary. Next shipping night bring the tape to be verified. It stopped me from quitting!! The guy who runs the club is an old Belgian. 83 or more. He kicks it club will be dispersed I assume. Next club is another half hour drive further. E clock people. Super competitive. They would not allow it. So one of the reaons for heavy culling this year. May quit club racing next year. One lofters only. So trying them and keeping the best of the best. Very small percentage will be kept. I have heard of the new system wheras one uses an e clock and data is transmitted as the bird traps. No need to go clock off. Will have to look in to that but again, many clubs would be against it for many reasons. Some folks can manipulate the eclocks. |
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Knackered Oldbird
Posts : 14363 Join date : 2013-03-11
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:46 pm | |
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MISTY Oldbird
Posts : 9024 Join date : 2018-01-29 Age : 88 Location : SCARBOROUGH
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:35 pm | |
| Just read the account of One loft racing in America.
They say it is booming but after actually considering the facts it may not boad well for the sport as most fanciers know it.
Yes, the entries are getting larger but only because some fanciers are only keeping their pigeons to breed for One Loft races, and entering every one open to them, and not having to go through all that racing in clubs etc; involves
Cannot see what anyone can actually get from doing so, alright as a side participation but I would never have kept my pigeons for someone else top race.
Hope it never becomes the main participation in our country, as a bit of fun yes, as a sport?????.
Regards.
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halcanada Youngbird
Posts : 4206 Join date : 2014-03-12 Age : 84 Location : Southern Ontario. Canada.
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:22 am | |
| It will not bode well for the sport? You may be right. Or wrong. Birds have to be tested before breeding off. Club races are ideal for that. Unless a new comer buys expensive pigeons for stock then just sends the young ones to OLR,s. That way is more money than sense. Many countries are gaining fliers and clubs each year. Probably for the prelude to the money races. Days of going to the pub to meet friends and a coal miners daughter are basically gone. Cannot live in the past as to most they hate change. Miss the old days. Bragging rights etc,. When one wins. Usually he spends his winnings on buying a few rounds of beers. Past is past. One has to face todays scenario and adapt or perish. The newest technology, apart from the online clocking system, is the gps system placed on the birds ring to show his line of flight. We all know that younger folks play video games. What better way to encourage new fliers that through breeding etc to see the reults in virtually real time? |
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oldstrain Oldbird
Posts : 16266 Join date : 2011-01-04 Location : the magic roundabout
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:26 pm | |
| well regarding future of the sport and some earlier comments I made ....I learnt how to set the t3 last night and next lesson will be paperwork ,great little clock the t3 ,just off to the school now with a few squeakers to do a show and tell for alfies classroom ,apparently the kids have been nagging all week about it to their teacher I will get a few pics if I am permitted atb |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 42925 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:04 pm | |
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Knackered Oldbird
Posts : 14363 Join date : 2013-03-11
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:14 pm | |
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MISTY Oldbird
Posts : 9024 Join date : 2018-01-29 Age : 88 Location : SCARBOROUGH
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:45 pm | |
| oldstrain,.
If more people took a direct interest in promoting the sport we may just have a chance of enticing enough youngsters into the sport to keep it viable.
If you just manage to get several youngsters involved long term and other fanciers do the same in other areas, bingo.
There has been a Future of the Sport committee for many years,?????.
The RPRA are to engage another person to save the sport ????'
In the BHW this week fanciers are asked to write to their MPs regarding our sport.
I have requested from several Genaral Managers just exactly what the aims and posssible benifits the Raptor Alliance can hope to acheive, no logical reply.
Our pigeons are protected by Law from theft etc;
The main problems fanciers face are, raptors, there is no chance whatsoever that the RSPB will allow the reduction in perigrines, or sparrowhawks, in fact they are putting more nesting sites in towns etc;
There is little or no chance that our pigeons will be declassified regarding bird flue etc; nor vacination, SO JUST WHAT IS THE POINT IN SPENDING ALL THIS TIME AND MONEY?.
Regards. |
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oldstrain Oldbird
Posts : 16266 Join date : 2011-01-04 Location : the magic roundabout
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:54 pm | |
| I agree misty the raptor alliance is a total waiste I spoke with them a few times it seemed to me a job with a salary of 30,000 and a office set up was money for old rope THE SCHOOL VISIT ...wow what a response from the kids and teachers ,they were mesmerised by the pigeons and were listening intently and when question time came it was a full house riots broke out when the kids were offered to touch the ybs ...the questions the children asked surprised me their so forward thinking and as a poser over the holidays I offered 2 prizes (easter eggs) for the best 2 pigeon pictures drawn or painted by alfies classmates ...all in all it was a humble experience ...I am going to put 2 ybs in the breeder buyer for alfies class so theirs some continued interest the first seed has been sewn but the breeder buyer may continue the interest I tried to get 2 ybs in the rpra one loft for the school but was to late so maybe next year ....pictures to follow |
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MISTY Oldbird
Posts : 9024 Join date : 2018-01-29 Age : 88 Location : SCARBOROUGH
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:04 am | |
| oldstrain,
Just wish there were a few more like you then perhaps the sport would not be in it's present position.
In the early 1970s my late friend Steve Spinks, who wrote many articles regarding the necessity to entice the young into the sport and also suggeted sending videos to the schools promotimg the sport along with visits etc;
In fact he had just had a video made ,when he unfortunately died suddenly, and no one took his suggestions forward, because no one could be bothered.
I along with Steve and another friend wrote numerous times regarding the fact that several issues for the future of the sport should be addressed, raptors, the aging of the fanciers relative to new comers etc;
Had something been attempted then we would maybe now reaping the rewards.
But as then, I feel your attempts now will be met with the same contempt by the alright Jacks as our effoprts did then.
I have kept many of the articles we wrote along with replies from certain of the Alrights and you would be suprised who some of them are, they did not want change because things suited them as they were and in some it still does and they are amongst those who could make a difference.
Regards.
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oldstrain Oldbird
Posts : 16266 Join date : 2011-01-04 Location : the magic roundabout
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:18 am | |
| it does not surprise me at all misty when you look at pigeon racing and where the money is to be made the same names crop up and indeed its surprising who some of them are ,the places where money is to be made in pigeon racing is not hard to identify
pigeon sales pigeon shows supplements advertising feed vets/medication
please feel free to add to the list |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 42925 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:34 am | |
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MISTY Oldbird
Posts : 9024 Join date : 2018-01-29 Age : 88 Location : SCARBOROUGH
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:37 am | |
| What a happy lot of future fanciers, the teachers not bad either.
Should distribute such photos etc; around other schools
That is the age impressions are made.
It would be a very welcome break from the youngsters normal activities.
Keep up the good work.
Regards.
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MISTY Oldbird
Posts : 9024 Join date : 2018-01-29 Age : 88 Location : SCARBOROUGH
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:54 am | |
| Beats me why there are so many guests as opposed to members often on the site, surely they may have something by way of advice towards improving the sport to offer.
I am not a lover of a pm, they are often used in an attempt to discredit a person by dubious means and often in the hope that they are not exposed as undesirables by the person they attack.
Regards.
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David Oldbird
Posts : 42925 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
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oldstrain Oldbird
Posts : 16266 Join date : 2011-01-04 Location : the magic roundabout
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:30 am | |
| that's our Alfie stood next to me in the 3rd picture ,he was in his element today thanks for doing the pics david the 2 ybs we took to the class were bred off alfies hen she is a 2014 pigeon ,in that same picture alfie is speaking to the class about his hen and a great job he did to |
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fieldwalker Youngbird
Posts : 1857 Join date : 2011-10-01 Age : 63 Location : BOLDON COLLIERY TYNE&WEAR
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:30 am | |
| excellent Darren very well done has Alfie invited all his classmate to the loft for the first race |
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Knackered Oldbird
Posts : 14363 Join date : 2013-03-11
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:16 am | |
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halcanada Youngbird
Posts : 4206 Join date : 2014-03-12 Age : 84 Location : Southern Ontario. Canada.
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:54 am | |
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Knackered Oldbird
Posts : 14363 Join date : 2013-03-11
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:54 am | |
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halcanada Youngbird
Posts : 4206 Join date : 2014-03-12 Age : 84 Location : Southern Ontario. Canada.
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:24 am | |
| Yes. Time I got off for a while. Said it before. To join the Forum new member has to post. Within two days or is deleted. Visitors? Restrict them. Why share knowledge or Knackeroo insights with everyone? I assume many visitors come on here to gain knowledge. Fine. But no input should be no output. |
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MISTY Oldbird
Posts : 9024 Join date : 2018-01-29 Age : 88 Location : SCARBOROUGH
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:28 am | |
| Perhaps it would be an advantage if we could have none fanciers giving an opinion on our sport, we tend to look from the inside and most, not all, tend to have opinions based on their own aspect and not as a whole.
The more I consider matters the more I liken it to another sport I have always enjoyed, fishing.
As with our pigeons (using the basics) I got more sport 70 odd years ago fishing with a cane rod and 22 hook, spade ended and tied by myself to a half pound line, and caught fish from wild waters over a pound etc;
Now they drag tame carp in on set ups that need no skill just a strong arm in waters that need no skill whatsoever.
A view or two from outsiders may enlightening, we certainly need some light on the matter.
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oldstrain Oldbird
Posts : 16266 Join date : 2011-01-04 Location : the magic roundabout
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MISTY Oldbird
Posts : 9024 Join date : 2018-01-29 Age : 88 Location : SCARBOROUGH
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:17 pm | |
| I think you are doing a fantastic job and should be proud of taking an interest in the future of the sport and not just enjoying what it has to offer you,as so many fanciers do.
One of the main troubles regarding the future of the sport is that the lead should come from the top and not be left to individuals.
As recent events in many commercial ventures show, when something is not working the men at the top resign and give someone else the opportunity to improve matters.
One can only live in hope if the sport is to flurish in any meaninful manner.
Regards.
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halcanada Youngbird
Posts : 4206 Join date : 2014-03-12 Age : 84 Location : Southern Ontario. Canada.
| Subject: Re: FUTURE OR NOT Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:50 am | |
| The sport is on the rise in many Asian countries. In the UK it is flogging a dead horse. I doubt if that will change. In Europe they have to have the races and awards to sell to the Asians. From what I understand the sport in the UK is delining. Why? Club backbiting? Bad vibes? Personalities? Do what Europe does. Have competitions as they do. Sell to the Asians with results etc,. As long as club racing is more important than Fed then nothing will change much. So many will opt out. So many can make a strain or loft name recognised world wide and reap the benefits. Now when this is noted, high prices paid for birds from the winners many more will get involved. Just for money? Probably but it does get more peple interested. A pigeon is a living creature. One can get attached to certain birds. However, performers and breeders of performers are what any person needs. If one wants to accomplish any thing. If not keep fantails. |
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