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PostSubject: And another one.   Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:35 pm


Ginger Tom. Big bugger. He is in a better place now.
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:11 pm

I love all animals including raptors but you do have to use your common sense in relationship to real life.

I have had several cats and have photographs some of them with the pigeons, Sooty used to be on the loft top and wonder round the garden with the pigeons and she did not let other cats in.

The cat looks a pet and if so will be sadly missed by the owner just as you would be if a pigeon was killed by someone else because it landed in their garden and ate some plants.

I have disposed of pests but only in cases that offered no other alternative.

Life in many instances seems very unfair.

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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:21 pm

Abandoned barns around here. Probably from one of them. Pet? Then the owner should keep it locked up. I have had dozens of birds killed by cats, coons, mink weasels etc,. Oppossums I release. Other predators die. They kill so becomes a circle. No sympathy whatsoever.
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:40 pm

Everyone to his/her own.

Do not judge lest you be judged.

Do not know what I would do under your circumstances but I would not take pleasure in killing a pet.

Then you consider that the vast majority of fanciers cull many of the pigeons they say they love?????.

What a mixed up bunch we are.

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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:51 pm

I hate killing anything, even spiders...........if I had mice or a r*t problem I wouldn't hesitate in killing them, but still would take no pleasure in doing so, I know they are all around us, and often pass through....but as long as they leave me and my birds alone, then I am happy to leave them alone.
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:10 pm

Yes Misty. Send a pigeon to a race. Chance of loosing it. Especially young one. Hope it lives happly ever after in the wild. Cruelty? No way! Sport! Zillion ways to inteperet the situations that arise.
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:46 pm

Got to keep on top of all pests affraid
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:51 pm

Seems like one every other week their hal soon be an endangered species over their
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:55 pm

I am in a present such situation, we have in the past had a rat problem and been dealt with because of the possible health problems involved, along with being detrimental to the pigeons health etc;

I have used poison which is to me a dubious but effective way and I was never realy happy in doing so, I would much rather shoot them a quick and effect way if they stand still long enough.

Since moving the pigeons on the problem has not arrisen until recently, and we now have a rat feeding with the wild birds, it is actually a very nice looking animal and reasonably friendly, however, where there is one etc:

Discussing the matter with my wife we have decided to let matters rest for the moment and deal with it if matters change.


I would be delighted to have just the one but life is not like that and distasteful decitions have to be made.

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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:05 pm

they say we are never more than a few feet away from a r*t, and also there is never just one......I know they pass through from time to time, we are naive if we think they don't.....but as long as they are given no where to live and breed I assume they will make their homes elsewhere,
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:27 pm

We've had a few this winter under decking and through garden. Problem is neighbouring bird tables, heaped with wild bird food. Problem is the shops sell it bulked up with wheat and the birds just scatter this to the ground searching for the actual seeds they need and enjoy. Bait stations frequently topped up sorted the rodents but it took a good while.
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:30 pm

they say they are getting immune to the poison colin, not sure if its true......I thought it was warfarin based/ anticoagulant, which makes them bleed from within etc Suspect Suspect Question
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:51 pm

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Everyone to his/her own.

Do not judge lest you be judged.

Do not know what I would do under your circumstances but I would not take pleasure in killing a pet.

Then you consider that the vast majority of fanciers cull many of the pigeons they say they love?????.

What a mixed up bunch we are.

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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:54 pm

barnie,

You are right regarding the wheat, I would think 80% of some wild bird mix is wheat.

Fortunately, or not, we have nearly as many wood pigeons as other birds and they soon clear any wheat, although they even attempt to get the small seed in the containers for the small birds, the wood pigeons have already fledged some young, I think they do so early when they think they have a constant food source.

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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:11 pm

David wrote:
they say they are getting immune to the poison colin, not sure if its true......I thought it was warfarin based/ anticoagulant, which makes them bleed from within etc Suspect Suspect Question

I got these blocks from the farm David, not sure what's in them but the farmer told me to scrub my hands after setting them!
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:15 pm

Tried everything available by way of commercial poisons, the rats thought they were their regular feed.

Used anti freeze, problem solved.

Used it on stale bread, would have preferred not to have had to use anything but the rats were becoming a problem, and the anti freeze worked fast.

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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:01 pm

MISTY wrote:
I love all animals including  raptors but you do have to use your common sense in relationship to real life.

I have had several cats and have photographs some of them with the pigeons, Sooty used to be on the loft top and wonder round the garden with the pigeons and she did not let other cats in.

The cat looks a pet and if so will be sadly missed by the owner just as you would be if a pigeon was killed by someone else because it landed in their garden and ate some plants.

I have disposed of pests but only in cases that offered no other alternative.

Life in many instances seems very unfair.

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I agree with you, Misty. Granted, I've never had to deal with this problem, but isn't dropping the cat off at a local shelter a better alternative?
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:02 pm

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Tried everything available by way of commercial poisons, the rats thought they were their regular feed.

Used anti freeze, problem solved.

Used it on stale bread, would have preferred not to have had to use anything but the rats were becoming a problem, and the anti freeze worked fast.

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Ya, that stuff is highly poisonous to all animals.
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:52 am

i changed an engine in my old car one time, left a pail of antifreeze in the corner of the garage and forgot about it till i saw the cat drinking it. i got rid of the antifreeze but it was too late, shortly after it got sick and was dying. not a good death, slow and miserable. i put it down and swore that i would never intentionally poison any animal with antifreeze. if your gonna do it do it right either shoot 'em or use killing traps. i take no pleasure in seeing or knowing that an animal is suffering at my cause
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:52 am

Warfarin. Used in human medicication. Anti-coagulant. Much better stuff out now for rodents. BUT! The bars I use are also eaten by rabbits etc, besides rats. No rats here now but year or so ago very dense population. Weasel killed them off. So with no other food source killed pigeons. So trapped and killed him off. All a balancing act in nature. Easiest food source is much preffered. Cat I shot today could have taken it to an animal shelter. For what? They would gas it eventaully any way.
Making a hawk trap tomorrow. Made them before. Have tried catch and release 80 miles away with fridge magnet stuck to the side of it's head. Now trap and dispose of.
Morb just read that previuos message. Quick kill is best. Think Misty is trying to sides. No matter will kill when needed.
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:59 am

i never had much problems with hawks, other than the local coopers. i keep a separate loft of pigeons that i use for falconry, i let those ones out early in the morning and any coops that are hungry can pick those off then i let out my good birds to loft fly and range. it has worked out really well over the last few years that i have started doing that.
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:00 am

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Cat I shot today could have taken it to an animal shelter. For what? They would gas it eventaully any way.

If he was a pet (which is likely) it would have been eventually found by the owners; cats and dogs are very often part of the family and their owners will go to great lengths to find it. If this hadn't worked out, he still could have been adopted or if not, like you said, put down. Still, it would have had a chance at life which is the least it deserves. Anyway, I'm not going to further dispute this; to each his own.
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:01 am

raccoons showed the other night and killed my ducks and pheasants traps are set
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:02 am

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i never had much problems with hawks, other than the local coopers. i keep a separate loft of pigeons that i use for falconry, i let those ones out early in the morning and any coops that are hungry can pick those off then i let out my good birds to loft fly and range. it has worked out really well over the last few years that i have started doing that.

Sounds like a good arrangement except that then you run the risk of word spreading in the cooper population. Then your place could turn into a feeding station for em.
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:03 am

morb wrote:
raccoons showed the other night and killed my ducks and pheasants traps are set

We had a problem with duck killers for a while too. We never could trap them or even identify who was doing it but we lost a few ducks to them.
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