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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:04 am

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Cat I shot today could have taken it to an animal shelter. For what? They would gas it eventaully any way.

If he was a pet (which is likely) it would have been eventually found by the owners; cats and dogs are very often part of the family and their owners will go to great lengths to find it. If this hadn't worked out, he still could have been adopted or if not, like you said, put down. Still, it would have had a chance at life which is the least it deserves. Anyway, I'm not going to further dispute this; to each his own.

cat and dogs are a different story for sure. feral cats on the other hand
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:07 am

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Cat I shot today could have taken it to an animal shelter. For what? They would gas it eventaully any way.

If he was a pet (which is likely) it would have been eventually found by the owners; cats and dogs are very often part of the family and their owners will go to great lengths to find it. If this hadn't worked out, he still could have been adopted or if not, like you said, put down. Still, it would have had a chance at life which is the least it deserves. Anyway, I'm not going to further dispute this; to each his own.

cat and dogs are a different story for sure. feral cats on the other hand

True, but to me that cat didn't look very feral. Could have been though; Hal would probably know as he had a chance to see how the cat acted.
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:09 am

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Sounds like a good arrangement except that then you run the risk of word spreading in the cooper population. Then your place could turn into a feeding station for em.

lol i don't mind, one pigeon will last a coops for a day or 2 they got young ones to feed and look after. i like to think that i'm part of nature not apart from it Smile
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:11 am

Flyaway. He may have been a pet. If he was he will be missed and the owners adopt another one. This is in the country. No neighbours close. He was the third this year. Predators are predators. Have to be dealt with. In whatever fashion one chooses. Will stick wth my fashion. Elimination of the predator.
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:11 am

the thing i hate the most is people who drive by your yard and drop off a cat they don't want anymore, that just burns my ass
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:15 am

No one kills for pleasure. Not all anyway. Look at the fishermen with their expensive boats and equipment worth thousands! Beleive them! They fish to eat!
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:24 am

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the thing i hate the most is people who drive by your yard and drop off a cat they don't want anymore, that just burns my ass

I know what you mean. A lot of people don't value animals/pets enough. It's a bit like when a pet store sells kittens, puppies, chicks, or other young animals. They have the cute factor and kids beg their parents to buy them a couple. No one understands that a lot of responsibility is involved in caring for an animal and a couple days later (or as soon as he outgrows the initial 'baby animal' cuteness) the animal is dumped somewhere. Totally irresponsible and cruel.


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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:34 am

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Sounds like a good arrangement except that then you run the risk of word spreading in the cooper population. Then your place could turn into a feeding station for em.

lol i don't mind, one pigeon will last a coops for a day or 2 they got young ones to feed and look after. i like to think that i'm part of nature not apart from it Smile

Yeah, it's all set up to work like a well-oiled machine. Small birds eat worms and get killed by larger birds to feed them and their young. Said young are killed by animals like canines and felines after eating their fair share of fish. These animals in turn are eaten by a larger animal like a bear for example. Eventually, the bear might make it's way to a person's dinner table (not so much anymore, these days). Everything dies to feed something else. My point being that animals do get killed all the time and it's part of nature. It's just rather different with domesticated pets.

And that post sounds like I quoted my science teacher
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:03 am

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Yeah, it's all set up to work like a well-oiled machine. Small birds eat worms and get killed by larger birds to feed them and their young. Said young are killed by animals like canines and felines after eating their fair share of fish. These animals in turn are eaten by a larger animal like a bear for example. Eventually, the bear might make it's way to a person's dinner table (not so much anymore, these days). Everything is here to feed something else. My point being that animals do get killed all the time and it's part of nature. It's just rather different with domesticated pets.

you 100% correct. i could not kill someone's unless it posed a direct threat to me or mine. if it's a pet you usually know who it belongs to, if it's a feral then you know what you should do ie the pound or ....
by the way bear meat is very good, we have eaten quite a bit of it in my life time. bbq bear ribs are the best
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:13 am

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Yeah, it's all set up to work like a well-oiled machine. Small birds eat worms and get killed by larger birds to feed them and their young. Said young are killed by animals like canines and felines after eating their fair share of fish. These animals in turn are eaten by a larger animal like a bear for example. Eventually, the bear might make it's way to a person's dinner table (not so much anymore, these days). Everything is here to feed something else. My point being that animals do get killed all the time and it's part of nature. It's just rather different with domesticated pets.

you 100% correct. i could not kill someone's unless it posed a direct threat to me or mine. if it's a pet you usually know who it belongs to, if it's a feral then you know what you should do ie the pound or ....
by the way bear meat is very good, we have eaten quite a bit of it in my life time. bbq bear ribs are the best

Really? I've never tried bear meat before. Might have to Smile
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:20 am

bbq bear ribs ...?

I wonder if asda sell them ..........sound tasty Razz Razz lol! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:24 am

The fact is that where animals are concerned there is bound to be sentimentality,

Anyone who kills for killings sake is ????.

In my opinion regarding the problem , I had tried several products that guaranteed success, with the proviso that if after 3 months the problem was not solved then an experts advice should be sought.

I was not worried about spending the money as long as the problem was solved.

Result, after using the different products for some time which must have been having an adverse effect on the rats lives [ many weeks) I decided that a far more efficient and less lengthy process would be both beneficial to the rats and solve the problem ( far less suffering).

I was told by a friend that his problem had been solved by using anti freeze, also that it had to be used in a very safe manner relative to other animals.

So I partitioned a very small area that was only assessable through a very small gap and put a small amount of bread with anti freeze on it, the amount was such that it would have been eaten and none carried away.

The result was that within a couple of days I found dead rats which were disposed of immediately, and until recently I never saw another rat.

As I have said previously, there is no one who loves all animals more than I do but you have to be realistic and at times above sentimentality.

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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:00 am

this is the reason I do not put poison down around my loft, we have a lot of squirrels, which I like, and would not want to harm......we also have foxes, which I see and smell quite often, I know they are a danger to pigeons, but so far they have not been a problem at all.

we also have a couple of cats from neighbours, who sometimes sit around my loft, enjoying the sun, they never make any attempts to go near my birds, even though the loft is open during the day, so far they are innocent, and no threat to me or my birds.......if they did become a threat, action in some way would have to be taken, but I`ll cross that bridge when / if it comes to it.


a few years ago I had quite a bit of a cat problem, and was looking to buy a paintball gun, this would not have killed them, but would give them a nasty sting, I did think about what the owners would think when they saw a multi coloured cat coming home...... lol!
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:20 am

I am afraid David, that mankind has so complicated, about everything he has touched, that it is beyond recall.

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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:36 pm

Noticed Hals cat was ginger...like the last one..and i bet the next..breeding in old building i would think.
As for squirrels Twisted Evil hardly ever see one and there greys..non native..pests..wait till one gets in your loft and kills ybs in the nest and eat eggs...
What next??? Oh aye Fox...iv one comes in my front garden at home..as long as it stays out of my allotment its fine...
Rats we all keep on top with traps and poison...
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:02 pm

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bbq bear ribs ...?

I wonder if asda sell them ..........sound tasty Razz Razz lol! lol!

we live in bear country here, they are usually not a problem but every once in awhile you will get a problem bear. most guys hunt them for trophies and don't take the meat, they don't know what they're missing.
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:40 pm

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The fact is that where animals are concerned there is bound to be sentimentality,

Anyone who kills for killings sake is ????.

In my opinion regarding the problem , I had tried several products that guaranteed success, with the proviso that if after 3 months the problem was not solved then an experts advice should be sought.

I was not worried about spending the money as long as the problem was solved.

Result, after using the different products for some time which must have been having an adverse effect on the rats lives [ many weeks) I decided that a far more efficient and less lengthy process would be both beneficial to the rats and solve the problem ( far less suffering).

I was told by a friend that his problem had been solved by using anti freeze, also that it had to be used in a very safe manner relative to other animals.

So I partitioned a very small area that was only assessable through a very small gap and put a small amount of bread with anti freeze on it, the amount was such that it would have been eaten and none carried away.

The result was that within a couple of days I found dead rats which were disposed of immediately, and until recently I never saw another rat.

As I have said previously, there is no one who loves all animals more than I do but you have to be realistic and at times above sentimentality.

Regards.


you can justify it how you want but killing is killing. killing what we call pests for no reason than because you don't want them around is killing for killing sake. what really is the difference between you poisoning rats with antifreeze or killing birds of prey cause they might get your birds or the guy that shot a song bird cause it was there? it's the "as long it doesn't bother me it can live" attitude i guess, you cull birds cause they didn't preform the way you wanted but as long as you are realistic about it...what ever helps you sleep at night.
i'm no saint i will go out of my way to kill a raccoon, they have caused a lot of damage for me and my neighbours. i love animals too and have much respect for nature and i am realistic about it which i why i won't use poison that doesn't only kill what you want it to kill. if your gonna kill something kill it don't piss around with poisons and admit that your a killer
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:05 pm

ive had pigeons here for 7 years now, squirrels been here for 25 years since we moved in.......never had any trouble with them, yes they are not native to the uk, but so what ? pakistanies, Romanians and polish arnt native to the uk either, but we don't cull them Razz Razz Razz cheers flower
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:18 pm

So you would feel comfortable with not dealing with vermin that cause problems in several ways?

Malaria carrying insects, cows that carry TB and other problems badgers etc;

Rats carry diseases, they damage property, electric cables etc;

If left to their own devises their numbers would be too large to deal with and the problems too great to imagine.

There is no easy and seemingly human way in which to deal with them other than reduce their numbers.


Now the only way to deal with rats in the vicinity of your property is to reduce their numbers.

If there was any other way than poison that actually worked the specialists in pest control would be using it and they are in a better position to know and understand the problems than the lay man who often misses the whole point and deals in sentimentality.

To reiterate, there is no one who loves all animals more than I do, but you have to deal in reality, humans have destroyed many animals natural habitats and they have had to adjust, but in many cases in doing so have become pests.


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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:07 pm

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So you would feel comfortable with not dealing with vermin that cause problems in several ways?

i never said that, i said i don't use poison.

Malaria carrying insects, cows that carry TB and other problems badgers etc

malaria has been around for eons, poison doesn't seem to be working, mosquitoes are becoming resistant to chemicals used to control them. cow with tb? what you think? badgers pretty much keep to themselves, as far as badger holes go I've yet to see a horse or cow that broke it's leg in a badger hole...just lucky i guess

Rats carry diseases, they damage property, electric cables etc;

as do humans

If left to their own devises their numbers would be too large to deal with and the problems too great to imagine.

There is no easy and seemingly human way in which to deal with them other than reduce their numbers.


Now the only way to deal with rats in the vicinity of your property is to reduce their numbers.

If there was any other way than poison that actually worked the specialists in pest control would be using it and they are in a better position to know and understand the problems than the lay man who often misses the whole point and deals in sentimentality.

the specialists are out to make living and part you from your money

To reiterate, there is no one who loves all animals more than I do, but you have to deal in reality, humans have destroyed many animals natural habitats and they have had to adjust, but in many cases in doing  so have become pests.

all i was saying is that poison is not the best way to deal with pests, it's the cheapest yes but not the best.

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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:50 pm

Could not find the pics of the pigeons killed by rats, weasels, coons etc,. Mosquitos adapt to any thing. Wrote a novel years ago Aeddus Affair that that that particular type of mosquito was engineered to transmit some human killing virus.
But never mind. Viagra came on the market and animals killed for there aphrodiasic propertis declined. Poisens have to be targeted in my opinion. But that seems what most are doing anyway. If a predator is trapped he is eliminated. Just the individual. Not a Possum though. Trap and release for those little fellows. Do more harm than good.
Easter bunny back in County Durham years agoe was served on a plate. Trapped in a net. Ferret chasing it out. Oh well, times change. Easter eggs were painted but tasted the same. Chocolate was too expensive. Smokes were ends of Woodbines picked up out of gutters. The good old days....
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:47 am

Still catch the odd rabbit and pheasant stopped the woodbine butts awhile ago...turner hand rolling baccy now im more sophisticated lol!
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:10 am

ray said your always in the bus shelter, after tabs off the floor........... Razz Razz Razz cheers jocolor
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PostSubject: Re: And another one.   Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:21 am

Can't smoke in bus shelters anymore...
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they wont allow you to breath soon, or pay to breath the air........time people took the power back !!!
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