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    PostSubject: The Raptor Alliance   Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:34 pm

    As previously stated, we have had a few problems with raptors, mainly sparrowhawks. One day, the sparrowhawk attacked our young birds on the loft and had just about got one pinned down on top of the bushes at the side of our loft when I got close enough to scare it away.

    Then we had another sparrowhawk attack which scattered the birds everywhere, and then this poor young bird that came back in tatters and had to be destroyed.

    We have only just found out about The Raptor Alliance site which you can get a link to from the RPRA site. We have reported the first hawk strike and will report the other two when we get a minute to breathe.

    Do other members use the Raptor Alliance site to report hawk strikes? If so, why, and if not, why not? I would have thought it was a no-brainer, reporting that your birds have been attacked by raptors, because that gives the Raptor Alliance more ammunition to go to the powers that be to try and get things changed.

    But, we were talking to somebody quite high up in our club the other day, and he said he doesn't bother reporting his raptor attacks because they happen so frequently! To me, that's nuts. The more birds that are reported, in my opinion, the more can be done. Goodness knows, little enough is being done to protect our wonderful creatures, and I would have thought the more attacks that are reported, the merrier.

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    PostSubject: Re: The Raptor Alliance   Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:20 pm

    The Raptor Alliance has been a complete waste of time since day one, as I said to the then General Manager at it's conception.

    If you read the proposals for the new legislation, which have been published, even were all the proposals passed it would in no way help the sport.

    We shoiuld have, firstly established our existing position under the Human Rights Law, which I sent a copy to the then General Manager and tested a case in court.

    You should not go into any situation without first establishing your present position, just common sense sadly lacking in our sport at the top.








































    The Raptor Alliance has been a waste of time and money from day one, as I told the then General Manager at it's conception.

    The new proposals in the new legislation would not help the sports cause if they were all adopted.

    The way that the problem should have been approached was by establishing our present position under the Human Rights Act, the relevant section I pointed out to the General Manager.

    You, if you have any common sense, do not go into a confrontation regarding the Law until you establish your existing rights under the Law and this can only be done through the courts.

    If anyone feels the Alliance will do any good please tell how.
    The ONLY WAY THE SPORT WILL BE HELPED REGARDING RAPTORS IS BY REDUCING CONSIDERABLY THEIR NUMBERS and the chances ofthat are nil.

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    PostSubject: Re: The Raptor Alliance   Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:12 pm

    joke pal, reported hawk attack 2years ago daily got nout back. Sparrow hawk goes through here daily and pretty consistent timing wise usually between 10.30 and 1200, 3.30pm till 5.00. four peregrine nests within 3miles, all part and parcel of 21stcentury north wales. until the "natural "balance is returned racing pigeons are easy meal,
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    PostSubject: Re: The Raptor Alliance   Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:49 am

    Legistaion will not stop hawk attacks. No legislative body wants to piss off any one. Unproductive to them. No votes..
    Have had hawk/falcon attacks here. Few times a week. Plus 4 legged predators.
    Raptors are increasing because of do gooders establishing nesting sites etc,. But also fanciers are feeding them easy prey by breeding too many pigeons. Check the history. People bred less and lost less. Raptors always were a problem any way. No way to deal with it at present. However, if I had a loft on an allotment with many other fliers I would let the big fliers always let their birds out first!!
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    PostSubject: Re: The Raptor Alliance   Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:37 am

    Well what a stinking shame - you members have made it VERY clear how you all feel about this 'so called' Raptor Alliance!

    Because I have not lived in the UK for nearly 15 years, I was under the impression that they were trying to do something. I SHOULD HAVE KNOW BETTER - I guess.

    Would it be possible for fanciers to band together - state our case as Misty mentioned and try and get something done.

    It is very true - the only way to stop or drastically slow down the amount of attacks by raptors is to REDUCE their numbers. Surly anyone can see that.

    But how?

    I thought of ringing the RSPB or RSPCA and tell them I had hear of someone breeding pigeons just to feed to bird of prey. When they came round, I would them be able to tell them exactly what happens in reality.

    In a way, I am sorry I brought this subject up once again. BUT - something MUST be done and done very soon.

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    PostSubject: Re: The Raptor Alliance   Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:53 am

    ridiculous name for a anti raptor organisation...what brain cell thought this idea up ,probably one who wanted £30,000 a year a office and all the perks that go with it for a part time job of seeming to do something but actually achieving naff all its not a bad wage ...their are ways phil to deal with your predicament
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    PostSubject: Re: The Raptor Alliance   Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:15 am

    oldstrain, never looked on the name in particular but when you consider it as you have obviously done it would appear that those involved are in co hoots with the raptors, which may explain a lot.


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    PostSubject: Re: The Raptor Alliance   Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:26 am

    rspb ,rspca,rpra all in cohoots with one another ...the royal lofts declined a visit from the tv crews in 2016 whats all that about Shocked talk about promoting the sport/hobby Rolling Eyes
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    PostSubject: Re: The Raptor Alliance   Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:15 pm

    I can remember several years ago a fancier was prosecuted for killing a cat that was attacking his pigeons in his loft, along with treating the cat in a cruel manner, the act had been reported by a neighbour friend of the cat owner, who said he had seen the event that happened within the fanciers loft.

    The case was thrown out on both counts, the judge pointed out that the person who reported the matter could not possibly have seen what happened in the loft. and the fancier concerned had every right to take reasonable actions to protect his pigeons.


    We could have done exactly the same with a test case concerning the sparrow hawk.

    I have approached the relevant Government department regarding our possible right to compensation when a protected species causes damage on private property as is the case in the majority of countries.

    They said they were sorry for our predicament but there was no present law that required compensation to be paid.

    These are the type of actions that should have been persued by the RPRA and not left to individuals.

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