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PostSubject: Different strokes here.    Tue May 08, 2018 3:58 pm

115 and a 155 miler this weekend. Few showers. Will send cocks. Some driving some sitting. They have had one 20 mile toss few weeks back. Open loft basically since. Intended to train today but decided against it. They are flying good here. Unraced yearlings are a wait and see situation. They go. 115 miler. Will see what transpires.
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PostSubject: Re: Different strokes here.    Tue May 08, 2018 6:27 pm

Hal, the only problem I found with the system I used was keeping the numbers down'

The pigeons want to breed all the time and that is part and parcel of the natural system and open loft that strengthens the family and motivation.

I used to breed no more than 20 for myself and to keep the numbers down I did not ring many others, it does cause some heart rendering when you see what you think could be champions by looks and you have to dispose of them.


But over crowding is a no go.

Sorting them out can be heart rendering as I felt responsible for every pigeon I bred but you cannot keep another 20 pigeons every year and selection becomes essential, I lost very few but many were triers but not an asset to the loft.

I very rarely trained as with open loft they condition themselves and fly many miles each day round the loft and up and down for various reasons etc;

But the fact is if the pigeons you have are not of the right calibre no system can make them winners.

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PostSubject: Re: Different strokes here.    Tue May 08, 2018 9:04 pm

Hal, how many members fly in your club and what is the extent of the boundaries along with are there any limits to entries etc?.

If you have federation races what are the extent of the boundaries?.


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PostSubject: Re: Different strokes here.    Wed May 09, 2018 1:25 am

Misty. Definately too many birds. But not overcrowded for loft space. I dis not fly all young birds last year, were moulting too bad after 2 races. Won one. They have to go this year, only selection tool I have. Too many birds, too much caring for, spark is not here has it used to be. For numbers anyway. Will pull down a 24 foot by eight foot loft at seasons end. Will leave me a 12 x 6 for racing, old and young, and a ten by eight for stock. Young birds, race birds will be in the 12 footer. 12 pairs with aviary. The club has maybe 6 to 8 members. Basically all from Holland or Belgium. Sprint specialists. One ex member had the only two birds on the day from 500 miles. He flew in the Federation. Off Belgian imports as he is Belgian. Now the Fed. Georgetown is the shortest. For some 50 miles. For me 115. I am 45 miles this side of the club. West side. The longest Fed fliers are 90 plus miles beyond me. To the South is Lake Erie. Mile from me. To the North Fed clubs, London etc, are 60 miles. Quite an area. Have topped the Fed from 586 miles and below. At another location. We have wind turbines on the property. Always a wind. 90% head wind. The birds hit the tobbacco belt then all shelter is gone. Cities, hills whatever. From the club down to here and futher. I am not complaining at all!
No shipping limits for old birds. Young birds this year 60 max. Old bird trailer fees $275. Young the same. Plus Fed and club fees. Many Fed members ( around Tillsonburg area) will not fly over 300 miles. I ship from the club to compete in the Fed. I do not need the numbers.
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PostSubject: Re: Different strokes here.    Wed May 09, 2018 2:53 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Different strokes here.    Wed May 09, 2018 7:05 pm

During the past 30, 40 years matters have changed beyond belief.

I can remember having to impose a 12 bird limit and at times a 6 bird limit due to the transporter accommodation.

Clubs with up to 60 members and every member of the federation having a club within a reasonable distance from their lofts.

There were losses but not on the scale of today.

There was no vacination and YBS and all the other maladies affecting the pigeons health and the sport as a whole.

There were far fewer win at any cost fanciers and far more sportsmanship.

Today if you had a club with double figure membership in which they all participated you would have found an exeption.

The terain here is nothing like what your pigeons have to contend with and they must have a very sound constitution to deal with what is asked of them.

Will be interesting to see how you go this season.

All the very best.

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PostSubject: Re: Different strokes here.    Thu May 10, 2018 1:31 am

Misty. Have to agree on facts of previous years. However it is a changing scenario right now. Thw winners, club, Fed or one lofters will still be up for sale. Asia is booming. So why would one quit now? Good price for a good bird, plus the pedigree aspect. In my opinion, many are looking at that scenario. Who can blame them?
How I do this year is irrevelant to my plans. The birds I have do have the health to perform. But others that beat me on some shorter races also are good. It will never be a level playing field as regards location etc,. Years ago I flew in a London club. Good location, short end. I won too many races. Same in two other London clubs I flew in. Was made to feel unwelcome, or boundaries were changed. So flew from a club 40 miles South of me. Wins dropped off dramatically. But first year did win two. Next year won 3. Birds were adjusting and I was culling heavier. 4th year held my own. Birds do adjust to circumstances. But with other problems my wife has have to fly every race. Weather good or bad. Final selection this year. I am not complaining at all. Just hate the culling scenario.
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PostSubject: Re: Different strokes here.    Thu May 10, 2018 7:28 pm

Hal, I agree that culling is the only part of our sport that I found disturbing.

The fact is that to get a family of reliable pigeons it takes time and plenty of selection, even if the originals are top class.

I do not now if it was the right thing to do but with the ones I did not ring I often let them learn how to feed themselves etc; but not get too settled to the loft and take them to join the townies some distance away, cowards way out maybe but it made me feel a little better.

If you are just an ordinary fancier with a basic set up you cannot afford to have sentimentality, I did, but you should not, I was always lucky in the pigeons I acquired and the offspring did all I asked of them over the years but all fanciers breed more duds than champions and luck plays a major part.

I suppose it boils down to just exactly what you want out of the sport, I got pleasure from every aspect and looked on any wins as a bonus, just to see them enjoying life on open loft would have been reward enough and anticipating how the young from certain pairs would turn out was also a great experience.

I am afraid many latter day fanciers are in the sport for all the wrong reasons and both the pigeons and the sport in general are the sufferers.

I believe in the countries that are doing well in promoting the sport everything is based on money and if there is a more evil thing that destroys anything it is based on then I would not like to meet it.


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PostSubject: Re: Different strokes here.    Fri May 11, 2018 1:35 am

This weekend is the first two races. Rain forecast for a 100 miles out from here. Release points 115 and 155 sunshine. Nothing has been cancelled so it is a go. I hope so amyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Different strokes here.    Fri May 11, 2018 3:13 am

halcanada wrote:
This weekend is the first two races. Rain forecast for a 100 miles out from here. Release points 115 and 155 sunshine. Nothing has been cancelled so it is a go. I hope so amyway.
All the best Hal Smile Smile come race day etc. Going into the unknown once again I would suggest Wink Wink there bounce bounce but like water of a ducks back I suggest Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes for you, what ever the outcome may be as such Wink Wink. cheers
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