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PostSubject: Spotless loft. Good results.   Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:37 am

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PostSubject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results.   Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:14 am

Tried to get the things I would be interested in from the video, appears a form of advertising, and I cannot spend an hour over mundane matters.

The fact is not if you win races but how, as I have said many times you can make a bear dance etc; but HOW.

You can win races by means not to the benefit of the pigeons life, which I would not be interested in.

If one is only interested in making money a few porkies does not go adrift.

Success depends on exactly what one wants and expects to gain from participating,

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PostSubject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results.   Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:04 am

Misty. Your pigeon world or vision of it, is long gone. Or headed that way. Fanciers love winners! They buy the best they can afford from a reputable racer/breeder. The more wins the seller gets the price of the birds go up. It is a multi-million dollar business. Winners have a better chance of breeding winners than the hit and miss approach. If a bird was bought from a loft like the one in the video then it is obvious the same techniques/methods should be used as much as possible. If put in a loft with deep litter then anything may happen. Better or worse. 96% of people racing do so to WIN! They feel pride when they do good. Disapointment when at the bottom of the sheet. But they carry on and keep trying and eventually win. But to keep up the winning ways is a nightmare! Hence the change of feed, routine, breeding stock etc,. The guy in the video is a World Champion! Year after year. Sure he advertises. Why not? That is his business! There is a part in there when he was asked about young birds and losses. Breeds 200 and ends up with 70. They race every week. I do not agree with all his methods but I did learn a few things. That is the whole point of watching videos and being in Forums. There is aways a nugget or two of information one can use. If used correctly they can improve a fanciers loft. I am always learning!
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PostSubject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results.   Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:42 am

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Misty. Your pigeon world or vision of it, is long gone. Or headed that way. Fanciers love winners! They buy the best they can afford from a reputable racer/breeder. The more wins the seller gets the price of the birds go up. It is a multi-million dollar business. Winners have a better chance of breeding winners than the hit and miss approach. If a bird was bought from a loft like the one in the video then it is obvious the same techniques/methods should be used as much as possible. If put in a loft with deep litter then anything may happen. Better or worse. 96% of people racing do so to WIN! They feel pride when they do good. Disapointment when at the bottom of the sheet. But they carry on and keep trying and eventually win. But to keep up the winning ways is a nightmare! Hence the change of feed, routine, breeding stock etc,. The guy in the video is a World Champion! Year after year. Sure he advertises. Why not? That is his business! There is a part in there when he was asked about young birds and losses. Breeds 200 and ends up with 70. They race every week. I do not agree with all his methods but I did learn a few things. That is the whole point of watching videos and being in Forums. There is aways a nugget or two of information one can use. If used correctly they can improve a fanciers loft. I am always learning!  
Agree Wink Wink & disagree with some of your thoughts etc Hal Smile Smile. Talking to my Geordie mate last night here "Absolute waffle" but enjoyable etc lol! lol! lol! about another Pom bounce bounce that come down to the centre last Friday to join up as such. He mentioned he has to go to one of our chook farmer types down the bottom here to pick up one of his birds lost in a race/toss. Suggest he take the new member Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes down there to show what he is up against bounce bounce Lofts bigger than the average house Smile Smile more medications on tap Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad than the average man would spend on food in a year, for his whole family & his little lean too/shack there for waiting for his pigeons is posher than both of our houses Smile Smile & to help the new flyer build some confidence, he needs only to put in 380 odd birds a week to be on a level playing field Smile Smile. Nearly forgot a small issue lol! lol! lol! also Smile Smile the poor man, is on struggle street counting his pennies as such Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes as the word is, he sadly inherited Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad 13 million odd dollars Smile Smile. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results.   Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:20 am

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Hour long video. Interesting!
https://www.pigeonracingpigeon.com/champion-fanciers/interview-with-world-champion-jos-thone/


Thanks for the link, just started watching this; lots to learn from this guy!
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PostSubject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results.   Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:11 pm

Great video

But Jos has loads off people working for him cant take anything away from him as a pigeon man top quality but when you Marry the sister of one of the top pigeon vets in Belguim well it all helps hey Wink Wink Wink

We normal fanciers don't have that type off luxury
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PostSubject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results.   Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:17 pm

different world Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results.   Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:07 pm

yes indeed it is rog
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PostSubject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results.   Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:00 pm

If this fancier or anyone like him would get a loft on an allotment, keep the average number of pigeons and send the same, treat them to any way he wanted, clinical, filthy or anything else, I would expect to beat him more times than he beat me.

It is only his exceptional financial circumstances and other advantages that has enabled him to buy success, if one can call it that.


It is fanciers??? like him that have almost ruined the sport for the real fancier.


If a fancier thinks in getting pigeons from such fanciers he/she is home and dry, think again, just look at how many pigeons he loses.

What may happen, a fancier pays over the odds for pigeons and then starts to treat them better because of the cost of purchasing them, had he she given the same attention that they replaced????


Money, Money, Money, the downfall of everything when those involved make it a priority.


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PostSubject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results.   Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:23 pm

some good points made misty jos thone has had more clearance sales than argos and indeed I feel its all about the money with him ,some remarkable performances though from his lofts/team
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PostSubject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results.   Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:40 am

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different world Rolling Eyes
Agree Rog Smile Smile unfortunately from my perspective & I would suggest Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes because they belong to a different type world it is part of the problem we have with declining membership etc in many parts. Not a problem being rich bounce bounce as such, but if they loose focus on how the average man races his pigeons with all the other living costs they have these days as a burden on average, it is just another nail in the coffin type of thing from my way of thinking. Now  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes a small, local example. Tonight is pay up night here "BIG TIME". Before one puts a bird in a basket  Crying or Very sad  Crying or Very sad  Crying or Very sad for this Saturday here. Chook farmer type $2/3000 plus up front. Knackered old pensioner  lol!  lol!  lol! $600 plus  Crying or Very sad  Crying or Very sad plus $50 to just put my small race team in for Saturday  Smile  Smile.   cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results.   Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:53 am

Over 40 years ago and many times since I have written in the BHW advocating making the cost of sending the pigeons exactly what it costs, after taking all the other commitments into consideration and letting those interested in flying for money do so by pooling to their hearts content, but as with many other suggestions I have made for the benefit of the sport the money mad are not interested so the actual grass root fancier with limited means is punished.

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PostSubject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results.   Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:40 am

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Over 40 years ago and many times since I have written in the BHW advocating making the cost of sending the pigeons exactly what it costs, after taking all the other commitments into consideration and letting those interested in flying for money do so by pooling to their hearts content, but as with many other suggestions I have made for the benefit of the sport the money mad are not interested so the actual grass root fancier with limited means is punished.

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The system we have here Misty is a crap/killer for the average man who watches his pennies to survive as such. 2nd race, we must nominate Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes how many pigeons we intend to race for the 16 odd Fed Races over the season after our first 4 club races etc. Nominate big & loose sadly big time early on, like many have with the Rota virus issue here bounce bounce & the pocket feels the pain Wink Wink in rather a dramatic way  Crying or Very sad  Crying or Very sad  Crying or Very sad unfortunately. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results.   Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:45 am

Nothing new, back in the good old days plenty fanciers with money, professional types, landowners with large teams, palatial lofts and full time helpers. There was an old black and white photo in the BHW a while back, double decker lofts the length of a street of houses, I think it was in Scotland I guess 50-60 years ago. Was money the only thing driving these fanciers ?
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PostSubject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results.   Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:02 am

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Nothing new, back in the good old days plenty fanciers with money, professional types, landowners with large teams, palatial lofts and full time helpers. There was an old black and white photo in the BHW a while back, double decker lofts the length of a street of houses, I think it was in Scotland I guess 50-60 years ago. Was money the only thing driving these fanciers ?
I suggest not Barnie Smile Smile One isn't required to be poor as such Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes to appreciate the good side of pigeons etc. Here I'm told Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes the China types are our future Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad but fortunately Smile Smile I'm old enough, that they will have little bearing on me Wink Wink. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results.   Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:44 pm

Having experienced the sport for over 75 years the money factor has increased beyond belief.

Races are promoted and advertised on the possible prize money, this was not the case many years ago when the miners were the majority of fanciers.

There were the odd rich who took up the sport but they were a minority,and those with money who would challenge each other but the vast majority were grass root fanmciers.

However, it is the state the sport is in now that matters and making excuses does not help matters, what is needed is changes so that the existing fanciers have a better time and there is something to offer potential fanciers.


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PostSubject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results.   Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:07 pm

Knackered.
Iam not realy up to date as to what the Chinese are doing regarding our sport, but the rediculous prices they are prepared to pay for pigeons is beyond me, the only thing I can put it down to is the population involved and the possibility of getting more than their money back by selling the young based on what they paid forvthe parents, similar to what happened when studs here were started.

Not forgetting the gambling mentallity well known to be a main occupation by many Chinese.

We can take sollace in the fact, Knackered, that we have lived in the best ever times, never to be experienced again, and I thank the Lord for that.

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PostSubject: Re: Spotless loft. Good results.   Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:19 am

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Knackered.
              Iam not realy up to date as to what the Chinese are doing regarding our sport, but the rediculous prices they are prepared to pay for pigeons is beyond me, the only thing I can put it down to is the population involved and the possibility of getting more than their money back by selling the young based on what they paid forvthe parents, similar to what happened when studs here were started.

            Not forgetting the gambling mentallity well known to be a main occupation by many Chinese.

               We can take sollace in the fact, Knackered, that we have lived in the best ever times, never to be experienced again, and I thank the Lord for that.

Regards.




Agree  about the last part above etc Misty Smile Smile. Not all that much Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes unfortunately that I see in the future, inspires me I'm affraid also. But in the Big picture these days, it means little what my views are I suggest. cheers
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