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+6Knackered halcanada Lofty David Boosey chuda 10 posters | Author | Message |
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chuda Chipping
Posts : 168 Join date : 2017-09-24
| | | | Boosey Youngbird
Posts : 2064 Join date : 2013-08-09 Age : 52 Location : Basildon, Essex
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:41 pm | |
| Oh dear Chuda, nothing runs smoothly in this game. |
| | | David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:58 pm | |
| chuda, I started mine off down at the tip, newsom green...only a couple of miles away, thought it might just give them an idea of coming out of the basket, took 16, got 9 back...lost 7, one reported in Doncaster and another in silsden.
took them to rothwell and didn't loose any, then kim took them to Sheffield and lost one.
I don't think its a good idea taking them a couple of miles away, as they will probably go off ranging from there, but I`ll know for next season, hopefully do things differently.
I hope the rest turn up for you anyway.... |
| | | Lofty Youngbird
Posts : 2008 Join date : 2015-10-07 Location : Swansea
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:17 pm | |
| What’s going on this year, YBS losses from training is nuts, it’s the same everywhere, hope they turn up for you chuda |
| | | halcanada Youngbird
Posts : 4206 Join date : 2014-03-11 Age : 84 Location : Southern Ontario. Canada.
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:13 am | |
| One can blame the weather. But not many train in bad weather. Only becomes a factor as the distance gets over 50 or 60 miles. As stated a few days ago, multiple short tosses (in my opinion) do not teach the birds anything except to roam..Also stated before, a bird does not need a lot of experience to come home. Instinct kcks in. Slow maybe first race or so but can only get better later. Talking here good healthy pigeons. I would hate to have the problems you folks are having. This coming weekend wil fly the 115 and not the 155 miler. 4 times trained. Will I lose some? I assume so. Other half go next week. Regardless of what people think, I still beleive the good ones will come through. Even if not on race day. Then they will compete later. I understand that folks do not agree with my methods at all. They would love to see me get wiped out. Cannot blame them. But does not concern me at all. This is the way I want to do it so will do it. I have proven to myself, in this location, these circumstances, it works. Now old birds. Will change to widowhood. Next year. IF I am still racing. Depending on the Club may just quit altogether. Thinking of it. But my problems is all. |
| | | Knackered Oldbird
Posts : 14379 Join date : 2013-03-11
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:30 am | |
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| | | barnie Youngbird
Posts : 3002 Join date : 2012-07-25
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:46 am | |
| been a good while since I raced and I realise things are different now, but I always put @25% - 30% old birds in with the young birds training until they had a couple of races at least. Way I saw it you want them youngsters out the basket and home in a straight line from the very first chuck. Instilled in them from the start of their training and racing career, not zig zagging their way home or trailing in hours later. Yes there would be followers just hanging on to the batch but they're sorted out by the time they get down the road racing anyway. Anywhere from 3 miles to start with to about 50 miles before racing with at least 25 tosses starting 6 weeks before first YB race. I loved YB racing and had them on the ball coming as a team especially on a nose ender. Like I say, times change but if I race again I will do the same thing with YBirds. |
| | | David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:34 am | |
| interesting post there colin, ive never sent old birds in with the ybs like you suggest, maybe something for next year.....I think some fanciers might do what I did this season and rush them, I started very late, I was weeks behind....and I really sent them without very much training or schooling , we were onto the 3rd race and the distance was going to get longer, so I basically threw them in ill prepared .
I think a lot of it is down to good planning, so next season I will start training a lot sooner, so they get plenty of training in, and also pick my spots better to liberate. |
| | | chuda Chipping
Posts : 168 Join date : 2017-09-24
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:59 am | |
| Got one before 6.30, then another at 7, then when I got back at 8.15 there were 4 more, they look very tired. |
| | | David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:19 am | |
| glad to hear they are nearly all back chuda, only one away now eh ...?
are you sending to this weeks race...? |
| | | oldstrain Oldbird
Posts : 16270 Join date : 2011-01-03 Location : the magic roundabout
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:43 am | |
| sorry to hear of yer bad toss chuda it has all the hallmarks of a peregrine strike imo glad their turning in for you |
| | | MISTY Oldbird
Posts : 9024 Join date : 2018-01-28 Age : 88 Location : SCARBOROUGH
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:27 am | |
| It has always been a mystery to me why fanciers think sending pigeons day after day training has any advantage over healthy pigeons that have an open loft.
I have never trained pigeons at all some years and won more than my share,
As I have said 4 years ago I was going to have a go in the MNFC but circumstances prevented it.
I had 16 young birds never seen a basket, as yearlings still never seen a basket, I sent 8 to the first race 60 odd miles, all back in good time two clocked and up with the local club birds.
Second race I sent the other eight all back in good time.
I was then unable to take part in any more races until the first water race in which I sent four pigeons, two were clocked in good time and their rubbers are still in te clock which still has its seal on as it was too far for me to get the clock checked and I would not have been in the prizes anyway I got another later in the day and I do not know if the other returned or not because I was feeling too ill at the time and had to part with all my pigeons for health reasons.
In no way am I saying my way is the best but I have proved time and time again a pigeon does not need to go up and down the road, you teach it nothing it knows it's way home from any point all you need to do is give it the means and desire to do so.
Regards. |
| | | David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:42 am | |
| misty, do you think its not necessary to train young birds before the first race ...? or just stop training once racing has started ...? |
| | | MISTY Oldbird
Posts : 9024 Join date : 2018-01-28 Age : 88 Location : SCARBOROUGH
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:31 pm | |
| David, When I was 16 I was in parnership with an older fancier, I had had pigeons from being 6 years old, I had always had them on open hole but Philip who had been in the Air Force had different ideas and wanted to train, so I agreed, I had moved my pigeons from the back garden to Philip's loft. he had far more brass than me, I was working down the mine.
I had bred some yongsters in my garden loft and took them to our loft which was situted on a hill, called Stomack Hill for some reason.
Philip had paid Huddlestons, well known at the time for some young ones and these he trained, Isaid we will not train my two just let out as much as possble which was nearly all the time as we worked shifts.
The only pigeons that scored for us that year were my two, which won an open race, a blanket and a clock.
Shortly after I joined the Army to avoid having to work down the pit.
The pigeons I left behind made a name for them selves.
It takes time to establish a loft of pigeons that respond to your methods, if the method is bad, you get bad results, if good, good results.
Health is main factor withou twhich no method will be of any consequence.
I often never put a pigeon in a basket until the first race, never lost many and the same with some that were never in a basket as youngsters and sraight into a race as yearlings.
The only thing that counts is the health of the pigeon, fed proerly to do the job asked along with a life that it is sutch that it does not want to be away too long.
All obainable without all the commercialism.
Regards.
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| | | Daz Youngbird
Posts : 4072 Join date : 2018-07-15 Age : 76 Location : Northants
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:02 pm | |
| Good post Misty regards training. I laugh when I hear them down the club bragging 'Cor my birds are tearing up the skies for over two hours and more'. Mine would be in the loft resting and conserving that energy. I followed a Ricky Mardis system. Mainly because I never had time to train etc... I fed different feeds as the week went on. Only time out was Saturday Morning. If I had been racing it would have been Saturday racing. As I wasn't it was out the loft. Come the Thurso race I put six in one club and 5 in another. Some fanciers called me etc. A good mate said I was being over the top. I said I was confident and not for him to worry lol. I was only 3 birds clock in one club. 2nd, 3rd. 4th and 5th in another. I had nine out of eleven on the day .. nearly 50% of the feds day birds.
I was also unable, as I will relate as time goes by, to race, mainly I worked as an entertainer. I could get to the club, and members never helped out... One would take the birds and then let them go saying he'd forgot etc. after tice I gave that up. another for instance wife would say, 'You mustn't leave them (it was 2 O'clock in the afternoon and Bill said he would water them and take them to the club) So as I was in Wales that night or London whatever I had to let the go. Also the odd time I got to the club it was 3 or 4 or more in the morning - days before the E.T. obviously when I got home... never felt like getting up, or staying up for that matter. then I got so ill with stroke, heart, liver and Kidney trouble.. and Diabetic. So it was Zest gone, and always tomorrow. But I had built a team up from five good friends and fanciers, so knew, felt that they had to prove a homing ability and worth. So I when got the Yearlings loft fit. (Now on Open Hole Also having a E.T.) the first time ever in the basket they went 150 to 200 miles in a race! I was never out of the top ten, often in the top six. Three members alone near each other sent nearly 200 birds between them. I gave 12 to 20 miles location advantage away. This is True, I have no need to lie, you aren't the wife lol. |
| | | oldstrain Oldbird
Posts : 16270 Join date : 2011-01-03 Location : the magic roundabout
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:28 pm | |
| what were % of ybs carried through as yearlings when raced through the yb programme seems a lot of talk of old birds being raced with no experience but what were returns like with ybs ...have had a few obs race well as yearlings unraced as ybs thing is I love yb racing so want to dabble as much as I can |
| | | MISTY Oldbird
Posts : 9024 Join date : 2018-01-28 Age : 88 Location : SCARBOROUGH
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:13 pm | |
| Sorry to hear about your health problems Daz, I know how they can affect you to a degree that you cannot do what you want and used to do.
You have been unfortunate in your club mates, although we have had fanciers I would not want to associate with outside, nor inside for that matter, there has always been those I would trust entirely.
Since starting having health problems, new hip, breathing problems, pigeon lung etc; I have been offered nothing but help, could have flown my pigeons without going out, but it is doing all that it entails that is the best part, the results either way are a bonus.
After over75 years (less army service} of being involved it is like losing your right arm to have to give them up, but if you cannot give them that which they deserve and are used to it is only kind to let them go.
I still look out and hope to see an old favourite.
But taking everything into consideration I thank the Lord for the years of pleasure the pigeons have given me and I hope they also enjoyed the association.
Regards.
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| | | Daz Youngbird
Posts : 4072 Join date : 2018-07-15 Age : 76 Location : Northants
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:38 am | |
| I would like to say, regards nature and training. You have all, most likely, heard of the 'Still in the night' etc This when nothing, but nothing moves. Hunting ceases, mammal's lie still as do the birds in hedgerows, trees, roosts etc. Now the same is also true in the day time. I never let mine youngsters - or old ones for that matter, when nothing is in the sky. You will lose some. Training same. When the birds are milling, sea gulls and swallows are on high it is because the midgets have risen before the storm. Because there is electricity is in the air. My birds never go out. Often lightening strikes to cause billions of midgets etc. fall that aren't eaten to fertilise the ground etc. There will be losses. Like east in the wind. naure has it's reasons. We know these things, but ignore at our - well the birds - peril.
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| | | Daz Youngbird
Posts : 4072 Join date : 2018-07-15 Age : 76 Location : Northants
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:48 am | |
| True Misty. They have gone. Some to Scotland to help a new starter, the others to Ireland. It was heart breaking to see fit and healthy pigeons in splendour and great condition not racing. Even when I trained others birds - mustn't start me off there - I didn't / couldn't take mine... Never went to a meeting in last 18 months. Was the time when I never missed one till just prior. Club, fed or RPRA meetings I was there!. Always going to go. Stu last January, for instance, phoned at 4 to remind me club presentation … said yes, Joyce and I would be there. 2 hours later I was in bed... Am better marginally than I was. was a time when I'd go bed shattered at 7 at night and didn't wake up till 11, or 12 next morning. By 3 I was going out of it. So dreams and good intentions. Past tense of could and will do better when able. When I could afford it etc. … especially when I retire. So was torn between past 'Going to' and soon will. Still mustn't grumble, there are millions worse off than me. |
| | | David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:28 pm | |
| I`m going to get rid of half my birds, will break my heart seeing them go.......but hopefully they will do someone a good turn and breed some decent young birds for them. |
| | | halcanada Youngbird
Posts : 4206 Join date : 2014-03-11 Age : 84 Location : Southern Ontario. Canada.
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:59 am | |
| Same here David. Much more than half. |
| | | chuda Chipping
Posts : 168 Join date : 2017-09-24
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:57 am | |
| - David wrote:
- glad to hear they are nearly all back chuda, only one away now eh ...?
are you sending to this weeks race...? Was 1 missing, took them to wakefield on Wednesday and got another smash, let 32 go and got 29 on the night and one of them was wired, just got another one this morning and that is injured Don't think im sending this week. |
| | | David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: Disaster training chuck today Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:57 am | |
| - chuda wrote:
- David wrote:
- glad to hear they are nearly all back chuda, only one away now eh ...?
are you sending to this weeks race...? Was 1 missing, took them to wakefield on Wednesday and got another smash, let 32 go and got 29 on the night and one of them was wired, just got another one this morning and that is injured Don't think im sending this week. never liked training from wakefield, always had them come back injured or late, last time I raced about 4 years ago I took them to Pontefract race course every day, didn't loose very many, and they always came good from there............no doubt Pontefract wont be any good to the race points we race now eh ...although I might just go there again my self next season, give it a try. |
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