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PostSubject: an old family   Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:45 pm

went to see a very old family of established pigeons today the y were lefebre dhaenens bred from sticelbaut and desmyt mathys pigeons ,lots of dark cheqs, blues ,and cheqs they handled superb and slipped through the hands like a bar of soap these were the parents of the 6 we had earlier this year so thought I would take a closer look ...nice to see an old family of pigeons kept together and still winning today Smile
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PostSubject: Re: an old family   Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:08 pm

always liked the lefebre dhaenens Darren, we first bought them in the 1980`s from maserella as it was known then, raced well for us......my avatar is of one of those original birds.

when I restarted again a few years ago I bought 6. of nigel cowood and jimmy Richards bloodlines, ive only one 13 year old left now and his daughter, I`m hoping they will pair together next season and breed a yb or two.....there are still some good ones around, and some still winning well.....it looks like the two which just scored for you are good ones cheers

also used to keep/race the verheys, denys bros birds, plus a few janssens , all from maserella, and they all raced well.

also had some dark bronze birds, cant remember what they were....... scratch study
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PostSubject: Re: an old family   Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:10 pm

just come to me, van hees Razz Razz lol!
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PostSubject: Re: an old family   Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:41 pm

the fancier I saw today said the lefebre and vereyes were very similar breeding
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PostSubject: Re: an old family   Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:08 pm

They were great pigeon s good honest pigeons s from start to finish
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PostSubject: Re: an old family   Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:37 pm

In the mid 70s Derick Mitcham (Doncaster Stud) introduced direct Verheyes along with the Van Weyers both did well for all concerned but the latter were the best.

He charged far less for the pigeons than any other stud, and was as helpful as one could wish.

Just wish the sport had more like him now.


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PostSubject: Re: an old family   Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:06 am

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In the mid 70s Derick Mitcham (Doncaster Stud) introduced direct  Verheyes along with the Van Weyers both did well for all concerned but the latter were the best.

He charged far less for the pigeons than any other stud, and was as helpful as one could wish.

Just wish the sport had more like him now.


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Even I have some of the old Verheye types here Misty Smile Smile Rainstorm types Wink Wink. Bit slow here now with the newer imports etc bounce bounce but I still enjoy having a few of them around as such. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: an old family   Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:54 am

well we put a order in for a few more next year off the main stock pairs, after a bit of discussion we are going to be swapping a few ybs so no dosh changing hands
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PostSubject: Re: an old family   Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:23 am

No better way, oldstrain and you can be sure in these instances both sides give of their best.

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PostSubject: Re: an old family   Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:41 am

yes indeed misty no need for any money if both parties are fair and square its nice to be able to do things in this manner
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PostSubject: Re: an old family   Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:51 pm

I found I got as much pleasure from giving fanciers pigeons that won for them as winning myself.

I never bothered with strains if I saw a pigeon I liked I would attempt to obtain either sister or brother to it and often traveled miles to do so and obtained some vey good pigeons at a resonable price.

I got a daughter of Iron Lady, sticelbaut, for £100, from a Jannsen stud, which was swop bird.

The full brother to Snowball, also from a stud that was a swap bird., also a Jannsen stud. £12.00

A full brother to Massarellas Bull Head from a friend of Massarella.£50.00

A Jannsen cock from the best in the stud from the same stud as the Snowball cock.£50.00

A full brother to Joseph from a Mr, Smith of Great Ayton, injured, the only reason he let it go I think this was a Van Reet £15.00.


A Jannsen cock bred in Dallas USA, he bred me winners and sons lent out bred winners for other fanciers.
He also won in every show I put him in.

These were the foundation of my pigeons from around 1965 when I relocated and a bigger set of wonderful mongrels I could not have wished for.


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PostSubject: Re: an old family   Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:34 pm

Forgot the Jan Arden and Ko Nipias.

Obtained well bred of both.

The hens I needed to handle before I decided which I wanted or needed and obtained from clearance sales or charity sales etc;

Very rarely bought a hen without a thorough examination.

There are thousands of stories different fanciers can recall many of which are assuccessful as any other although may appear opposites that is what makes the sport what it is.

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PostSubject: Re: an old family   Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:08 pm

Winners breed some winners. As do birds related to the winning birds. Even if I handled a few birds with a winner in the mix I doubt if I could pick it out.
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PostSubject: Re: an old family   Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:58 am

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Winners breed some winners. As do birds related to the winning birds. Even if I handled a few birds with a winner in the mix I doubt if I could pick it out.
Most experts types Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes wouldn't stand my test here Hal Wink Wink. Simple, simple to pick the winner after the event. Do it thou bounce bounce when they first go across to the race loft as squeakers, different kettle of fish I would suggest Smile Smile especially if one has the odd 100 birds in ones team as such Smile Smile. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: an old family   Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:06 pm

If the breeding was right I always found it best to have hens with one or two of each of the main requirements.

Never met anyone who could guarantee anything regarding picking from just having the bird in the hand, having handled other fanciers pigeons that have bred winners which I would have not given house room.

You only have to look at human athletes, all shapes and sizes and from vastly different parentage.

If there was a foolproof system there would be no sport worth participating in.


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PostSubject: Re: an old family   Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:22 pm

did you have any of the kuif ko nipus misty ...would love to have one as a pet easy on the eye to me Cool
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PostSubject: Re: an old family   Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:05 pm

No oldstrain, the only stock cock from the Ko Nipias strain was a son of Border Chief.

My pigeons were a family but a family based on one offs and bred over a prolonged period.

I was interested in any pigeon that was available that I wanted irrespective of any so called strain.

The only time I bought more than one was latterly when I decided to have a go in the MNFC and based them on the Jan Ardens and then bought six mixed long distance young ones bred them into the Ardens and then got rid of them and concentrated on the Ardens.


They won right up to me stopping flying, several young bird races and the Thurso 1st and 3rdand 4th Lerwick when two Thurso winners escaped from the six I was sending to Lerwick at the marking station.

The Ardens I got from Massarella.

I have said previously that after I decided to stop racing I was invited to join the Filey club and given every kindness possible by way of assisatance.

I flew in the first old bird race with 8 of 16yearlings that had never seen a basket and all returned in good time and sent the second 8 to the next race and all returned in good time and were well up with the local clubs returns.

In was too ill to do any more racing but sent four to the first water race, clocked two in good time, the rubbers still in the STB another returned later in the day and I do not know if the other returned as I by that time too concerned about my health to worry, although the pigeons were never neglected.

Had I been fit enough to concentrate on the pigeons I would have no doubt they would have done what Iasked of them in the NFC, but I had to resign from the club before having the opportunity.

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PostSubject: Re: an old family   Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:19 pm

I gave all the pigeons away to two fanciers they put the photographs on a site and one could see the quality and that they were a family.

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