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PostSubject: Eye sign indicator.   Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:45 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:22 pm

I personally don't take much store in 'Eye sign'. In Belgium there isn't even a word for it.
However if it is a Yard stick for some, and they gain success for it then great! Fair play to them.
The simplest, easiest is based on 'Planting'. That's corn and fine soil.
Yes I may have a whim if I can't decide which to mate to which … no problem really because what they throw can be changed next season.
A violet eye is well sought after. Here though I often smile because very many think a Pearl eye is a Violet lol. Also clusters.
Any way as far as I'm concerned the best mating adage is No close mating's. Then selective on form... remember often good birds miss a generation etc. Stray breed national winners and Money, regardless how much, doesn't guarantee winners. Louella said on T.V once. 'breed winners.... No just improves the chances'! Blood and genes from hard day and distance (PROVEN) are, and always will be the start of any successful loft regardless what distance the fancier wants to win at...(Systems make the difference) Usain Bolt could have children via the woman's world record holder of 100 metres (couldn't actually as she has passed on ) but the children might be as slow as a sloth bear, or run the marathons and win. As some athletes are doing today. many/ most top athletes, for one reason or another are bred from parents that were / are useless in the sport that they have chosen. Just getting the blood / genes from proven stock and let Mr Basket have a free hand, and stop breeding cull after cull from birds because they have a High price when brought or a bit of impressive paper … which the paper doesn't fly.
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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:01 pm

You must take note of eyes in pigeons, they should preferably have two.

Anyone with one iota of common sense just has to look at all the photographs of the top winning birds, they come in 1 to 10 of the grading in the eye sign theory. The majority would have been culled based soley on the eye sign theory.

Eye sign is strong in some families and poor in others, Zion and Bricoux along with Jann Arden and Van De Weer, whilst the Leon Boers had poor eye sign relative to the theory, etc.

But the eye does not deceive and if you use your own you will find top winning pigeons come in all shapes and sizes and the make up can be as different as chalk and cheese.

The eye is definitely an indicator of good health both in animals and humans but the color has no influence on the other abilities other than being able to see.

Chuck all the theories in the bin and get an open loft and the pigeons will sort themselves out.

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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:52 pm

Talking about 'Eyes' in pigeons, the Best racing eye for a pigeon is the Tippler, I kid you not. However the best breeding and racing eye, all round belongs to the chicken. Lol Tue, and I'm far from being a eye sign specialist.
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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:57 pm

In the last instance Daz me thinks you are egging us on.

I would think the best eye would be in a raptor irrespective of colour etc;


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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:25 pm

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In the last instance Daz me thinks you are egging us on.

I would think the best eye would be in a raptor irrespective of colour etc;


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Egging one on Smile Smile No, no never Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes lol! lol! lol! I suggest. We would never do such a thing here Misty etc Smile Smile. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Sat Oct 06, 2018 1:37 am

Raptor eye sign. No indication of distance. Apparently no indication of speed in level flight. Had mine out run them.
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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:33 am

Never mentioned eye sign regarding raptors, just I think they have better eye sight than other birds owing to their dependency relating to prey etc;;


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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:50 am

Lol Misty. Mind tipplers etc. is true if taken this theory eye theory of the Pigeons eye. - which it is no more than - that one can tell the distance it would excel at, what it would breed etc. etc.

I do though like an eye that is bright and alert. Because it give an indication of the health - I believe. Has been referred to as the 'Mirror of the Soul'.
Only person I ever seen debate such with any persuasion of merit was 'Bob Flemmings' - sadly no longer with us. In 2004 / 5 if I can be bother to relate the exact year he was challenged and put to the test at the C.U. Convention. Many took a pigeon or two to be tested with. Many things written down and kept away from him. Racing credits, breeding etc. etc.
His results were, I have to admit, outstanding. Mike van der Jagt, who is certainly one to test any and every theory etc. and has some beliefs and notions regards the 'Eye Theory' told me when staying with him he astounded with his results and knowledge.
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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:57 pm

Mike v is an outstanding flier. His methods, yealings natural, older on widowhood are what I will follow next year. Myron Kulic is another eye sign guy. He and Fleming had many disagreements.
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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:20 pm

Bill Carney was the eye sign man around our parts with the late Albert Whitty and the late Skathi, the latter two I have sat up with one night long with another friend and discussed many slides of pigeons eyes and the theory as a whole, Albert showed one particular pigeon eye and I said I could pick it out any where,


He said it was one of his and we could go, fairly late at night and put it to the test, we did and after handling several of Alberts pigeons I said this was the one, it was and was an unrung blue cock he had just purchased, for stock.


I got Bill Carney to come and access my pigeons according to his interpretation of the theory.


He put a basket on one side for the pigeons he thought I should part with, at the end there was just one pigeon in the basket, a blue cock that I had just purchased as a second placed in the Vaux Usher race,
I culled it there and then as there was runours regarding the validity of the perfprmance.

Iam pleased there was only one in the basket as every pigeon had either scored or bred ewinners.


He also said to a friend who was with me at the time that Bill could beat me racing anytime because of the manner I raced them, funny thing, on the morning Bill came Monday there had been an hold over from Lerwick and I had gone nito work asIhad to visot site, when I got back my wife had rung to say a bird had arrived some 45 minutes ago, I lost the race by 10 minutes, Bill said he would love to have the hen concerned, it being a yearling I could not see it being fastened up for stock or I would have given n it to him.

Funny thing, he said to my friend he should be able to beat me the way I kept them, funny thing, I won both the North and South road races the following weeknend.

If there was a certain method then all would be trying it, it is the variety that makes it interesting, along with all the theories, not forgetting the word THEORY.

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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:19 pm

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Mike v is an outstanding flier. His methods, yealings natural, older on widowhood are what I will follow next year. Myron Kulic is another eye sign guy. He and Fleming had many disagreements.
True about Bob & Myron Hal Wink Wink end of the day here Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes I gave more credence to Bob as such bounce bounce as at least he did race them etc compared to Myron I believe. Even if he only, sadly won 65 odd races also "his words" in his 65 years of trying his eye sign theories out so to speak Wink Wink. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:48 am

We have a pigeon eye sign guy here from Liverpool I beleive. He came many years ago. Used to play soccer in the UK. Pete Sloane. For some lofts he did extremely well. For others not so much. I have to assume the lofts that bred by his reccomendations that did well had better birds. All eyes being equal. There was another top flier here from Hartlepool. Bill Butterfield, died early. He and his father had a visit to their allotment in Hartlepool, because they won a lot, from a big shot eye sign guy there. Guy told the father you have the right eyes in the birds. Do you study eye sign? Bills dad said "no". "Why not?" Reply "Because I am blind." True.
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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:42 am

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We have a pigeon eye sign guy here from Liverpool I beleive. He came many years ago. Used to play soccer in the UK. Pete Sloane. For some lofts he did extremely well. For others not so much. I have to assume the lofts that bred by his reccomendations that did well had better birds. All eyes being equal. There was another top flier here from Hartlepool. Bill Butterfield, died early. He and his father had a visit to their allotment in Hartlepool, because they won a lot,  from a big shot eye sign guy there. Guy told the father you have the right eyes in the birds. Do you study eye sign? Bills dad said "no". "Why not?" Reply "Because I am blind." True.
lol! lol! lol! See Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes proves etc lol! lol! lol! you just don't need a pair of eyes Hal Smile Smile to be a believer type Wink Wink I suggest. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:56 pm

There as none so blind as those that cannot see, and I am half way there

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Having lost the sight in my left eye through a bungled operation.

But knowing half the truth is better than all lies.

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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:01 am

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There as none so blind as those that cannot see, and I am half way there

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Having lost the sight in my left eye through a bungled operation.

But knowing half the truth is better than all lies.

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Concerning for me to find you in such a position Misty there. But Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes have always believed bounce bounce with my strange thinking ways here, even if one may only has 1 eye, 1 arm, deaf in 1 ear & only 1 leg etc Wink Wink it's still quite easy to find those in a much more unfortunate situation as such. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:51 pm

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I have only one eye that works, hearing aids, my wig is in the wardrobe, and I have only 3 and a half of teeth left, my false teeth are in n a glass in the bathroom and grin at me every time I go in, and I thank the Lord every day for the blessings I do n have.


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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:40 pm

sorry lads ifind it really hard to throw any weight behind eyesign ...the best eyes are on the woodies ,one thing I have noticed with a family of birds brought in is most have a similar eye ,maybe inbred but will be crossing some next year after a successful experiment with 2 pairs this year ,but finding success based on eyesign would be a long old wait imo
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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:21 pm

Not to mention Knackerd that the doctor inspected my prostrate Monday and said it was enlarged but thankfully clear of cancer, the result of the chest specialist I still await, I think he is still receiving therapy after trying to determine my breathing problems.


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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:21 am

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Not to mention Knackerd that the doctor inspected my prostrate Monday and said it was enlarged but thankfully clear of cancer, the result of the chest specialist I still await, I think he is still receiving  therapy after trying to determine my breathing problems.


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Enough is enough etc Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad lol! lol! lol! Misty Wink Wink. I thought I was on a pigeon forum here Smile Smile not a medical forum "of bad news" as such Smile Smile. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:52 am

Fair enough Knackered, so I will not mention my thyroid problem, nor other such, there are numerous other subjects involved on the site other than our feathered friends etc; if we are to turf some off then also others and keep it just pigeons which nearly ever aspect has been covered numerous times.

Referring to health in my case was a light hearted attempt to show that old age has it's draw backs but they can be dealt with as and when they arrive.

I agree that choose what your problems are there are many more far worse off having been involved with over 30 handicapped persons of all ages one day a week for over ten years since I retired and had to give it up because of my own problems.

So I will not comment further on any other subject than pigeons.


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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:42 pm

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Fair enough Knackered, so I will not mention my thyroid problem, nor other such, there are numerous other subjects involved on the site other than our feathered friends etc; if we are to turf some off then also others and keep it just pigeons which nearly ever aspect has been covered numerous times.

Referring to health in my case was a light hearted attempt to show that old age has it's draw backs but they can be dealt with as and when they arrive.

I agree that choose what your problems are there are many more far worse off having been involved with over 30 handicapped persons of all ages one day a week for over ten years since I retired and had to give it up because of my own problems.

So I will not comment further on any other subject than pigeons.


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I fully understand where your coming from Misty etc Wink Wink But  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes Post what ever your desire is here as such lol! lol! lol! as it's not an issue with me, truly Smile Smile suggest best thou, maybe Smile Smile we both go in for a name change/swap here, & you become known as Knackered now  lol!  lol!  lol! & with it, I'm happy also to throw your way bounce bounce all my medical issues  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  free with it Smile Smile & I will just be known now as Misty 2 to keep the playing field a most happy one here Smile Smile for all concerned. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:08 am

Canny dvd out by nigel llewellyn eyes simplfied.
Not the be all and end all but its a tool to use,no not all combine winners have gòod eyes,not all have more than 1 good result affraid but you can bet your multi winners have. scratch scratch scratch study
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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:09 am

Never bought a video in my life regarding pigeons, but some well wishes over the years attempting the impossible have done so, ( to educate me, a forlorn hope ).

So I have the following videos that are no longer of any use to me:-


WIDOWHOOD WAYS
THE MARC ROOSENS WAY
MODERN EYE SIGN SELECTION
EYE SIGN WITH BILL CARNEY
THE GREATES STORY EVER TOLD.


If anyone is interested just send a pm which will be private.


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PostSubject: Re: Eye sign indicator.   Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:11 am

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