Ventilation

Just bought some solar fans for my yb loft for when on the dark . I want to know your views on this because I noticed when the doors ECT are stuff it is really stuffy in each section. So do I push air in then out via these fans or just air in , or even pull the bad air out if you know what I mean . I will very interested for views on this and if it's worth doing lol. I hope so as just paid nearly 100 quid for them . Thank you

If it is an extractor fan, then you put it in a position as high up as possible and in the middle of the roof area where the bad air congregates.

You also need low down ventilation to replace the air out with fresh air at the same rate but in a manner that does not cause a draft.

Never done it but think it makes sense.

Best of luck.



Regards.

It sure can’t do any harm Ray.

Ray for me it's about pulling the air through the loft, nice and slow so the pigeons are not sitting in a draft JMO

But I KNOW NOTHING

Yes the loft ventilation is ok when we have a bit wind but in the hot summer evening it gets a bit stuffy so I want fresh air in or pull stale air our , that's why I am asking what's best. 2 putting air back in so my tops vents will take the stale air out.. or have one pushing in and one out . This is my confusion . I might just put both at the front to bring air in . I think haha

Have a fan in the stock loft. Plastic building. Vents front and back. Fan is high bringing air in from the prevailing wind side vent. I doubt if it matters. Fans move air. Hot air rises. It will find its own way out. Young bird loft no longer use fans. Pretty much open front. Light system. Not overcrowded.

Yes that's ok hal for light system as such but it's for the dark I am asking. Thanks

halcanada wrote:

Have a fan in the stock loft. Plastic building. Vents front and back. Fan is high bringing air in from the prevailing wind side vent.  I doubt if it matters. Fans move air. Hot air rises. It will find its own way out. Young bird loft no longer use fans. Pretty much open front. Light system. Not overcrowded.

Same, same here even have installed them in my house roof etc. Bit of a no brainer type issue, if looking to shift stale hot air type of thing. Best to buy a good quality one I suggest because crap is crap if you get my drift & especially if it has a made in China sticker attached    .

Hopefully someone knows the answer lol. Its a genuine question

peel bros wrote:

Hopefully someone knows the answer lol. Its a genuine question

Hope so Ray if no sensible answer is forth coming here suggest maybe " in the present climate"       try the Bible scenario as I suspect the answer may just be there some where for you, hopefully. Now looking for a volunteer here today as I'm about to head out the door to my favourite man Dentist So, any one here who enjoys pain just email me quick .

Hope you are still around Knackered after your trial by tribulation with the dentist.

Only have four teeth left, false ones in the bathroom grinning at me every time I go in.

Cannot stand wearing them.

Deepest sympathy, last visit to dentist worse than hip replacement, far more pain.

But still just a might better than a pair of rusty pliers and a bottle of whisky.

Keep smiling.


Regards.

Sorry, three and a half teeth.


Regards.

https://www.pipa.be/newsandarticles/reports/healty-loft-basis-success for ventilation.

Good article Hal, but only common sense, if fanciers need telling 99% of the content then they are in the wrong sport.

Regards.

I take it that we are talking about a pent roof loft ray...I would have a 24x12 inch vent every 6 foot at the bottom front of the loft and a 2 inch gap right across the back and front at roof height if you don't overcrowd this should be fine I face my lofts south west so they get plenty air flow as that is the dominate wind here...I do have 1 loft very tight to a fence and knew it would be a problem so I put in a mixed air flow fan for a room twice the size of my loft its superb and cost £60 from screw fix or tool station not sure which but if yer interested give me a bell later ...you can put the fan on a timer but opening up the loft with a saw and wire mesh would be my preferred option but in this case it was my only option...have you thought about a chimney ray

ive seen fans which bring air into the room and out ray, to have it running correctly I think you need to have one low down bringing air in, and one higher up to take air out......

MISTY wrote:

Hope you are still around Knackered after your trial by tribulation with the dentist.

Only have four teeth left, false ones in the bathroom grinning at me every time I go in.

Cannot stand wearing them.

Deepest sympathy, last visit to dentist worse than hip replacement, far more pain.

But still just a might better than a pair of rusty pliers and a bottle of whisky.

Keep smiling.


Regards.

Truth be told Misty teeth "my own" I have in abundance etc & hair on my head, many would kill for at my age as such unfortunately thou I'm a wee bit light on the money in the bank scenario especially now, when my mate "the little fat bloke" told me today all race fees will be going up next year in our Fed .

Thanks lads

Knackered wrote:

MISTY wrote:

Hope you are still around Knackered after your trial by tribulation with the dentist.

Only have four teeth left, false ones in the bathroom grinning at me every time I go in.

Cannot stand wearing them.

Deepest sympathy, last visit to dentist worse than hip replacement, far more pain.

But still just a might better than a pair of rusty pliers and a bottle of whisky.

Keep smiling.


Regards.

Truth be told Misty teeth "my own" I have in abundance etc & hair on my head, many would kill for at my age as such unfortunately thou I'm a wee bit light on the money in the bank scenario especially now, when my mate "the little fat bloke" told me today all race fees will be going up next year in our Fed .

don't be crying poverty knackered, you have plenty stashed away in that purse of yours.........

I'd use the fans to get warm stale air out, fixed at highest point in loft roof but not directly Infront of where birds perch if possible incase there's a draught effect if that makes sense.
If you already have lower level inlet vents I'd leave well alone, the fresh air gets in fine.  Being in the house, double glazing, loft insulation, door seals etc but there's never a shortage of air to breathe, new air always finds a way in. I think some fanciers put louvres and vents here and there around the loft without any real thought and end up doing more harm than good because it can create draughts every way the wind or breeze blows.
Probably minimum 50% open wire loft front with roof vented back and front would be ideal but in the uk climate and loft position etc not ideal and not a lot of people could do this without rain sleet and snow blowing in.
My thoughts anyway, thing with fitting anything into shed roofs, chimneys, skylights etc is sealing them up stop water getting in although there are some good sealants on the market these days.

indeed barnie some good thoughts there and all aspects need to be covered ie loft position damp weather etc..positioning of vents and fans etc...it needs to be very well thought out I remember our graham( birdy 2011 )had a post on his bouncy castle blower system which was a superb idea with the bouncy castle blower pushing air into the loft via a drain pipe with outlets and chimneys on the roof to take the stale air out...theirs another good ventilation system with steel corrugated sheet on top of a timber roof and extra section of steel on top of that and you cut outlets at the back of the roof and first layer of corrugated sheet and then cover corrugated sheet outlets with another piece of sheeting with plenty overhang theirs a top irish flyer (ron Williamson) who has this ventilation system atb

David wrote:

Knackered wrote:

MISTY wrote:

Hope you are still around Knackered after your trial by tribulation with the dentist.

Only have four teeth left, false ones in the bathroom grinning at me every time I go in.

Cannot stand wearing them.

Deepest sympathy, last visit to dentist worse than hip replacement, far more pain.

But still just a might better than a pair of rusty pliers and a bottle of whisky.

Keep smiling.


Regards.

Truth be told Misty teeth "my own" I have in abundance etc & hair on my head, many would kill for at my age as such unfortunately thou I'm a wee bit light on the money in the bank scenario especially now, when my mate "the little fat bloke" told me today all race fees will be going up next year in our Fed .

don't be crying poverty knackered, you have plenty stashed away in that purse of yours.........

Trouble is David here my wife has it I'm . The man power thing means absolutely nothing in my house hold etc & would you believe my xmas gift of chocolates from the chocolate man, as mentioned she has hidden away so I carn't find them as such.

Never understood this problem of increases in wages etc;

It just means everyone has to deal with more money, the only time it makes any difference is if the increases are disproportionate with everything else etc;

If everything was reduced by the same amount the result would be the same, and save a lot of time etc;


Regards.

Said in the first reply what would be needed, the more complicated you make a matter the more work and more problems, keep things simple.

As for protecting pigeons from all that the weather throws at them.

If you mollycoddle them from all weather you are not doing either the pigeons or yourself a good turn.

Feathers need to be subjected to all kinds of weather to function in the manner intended, it could be a reason for some losses that the feathering has turned into the show bird type, looks good but not fit for purpose intended.



Common sense in our sport has been overtaken by attempting to beat nature and believe me there is no chance ultimately of doing so.


Just look out of the window on a snowy day and see the wild birds feeding, spent the night out in the freezing cold sat in a bush etc; fit as fleas.

Regards.

nothing complicated about either system I mentioned just a bit of savvy and thought is required atb with it ray