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PostSubject: Man ruins anything it touches   Man ruins anything it touches EmptyWed Jan 30, 2019 4:21 pm

The greatest recycling structure in the world, universe is …. Earth.  It is unbelievably essential. Yet if unhindered and nature left alone it does a perfect Job. Everything, but every thing that can and does go wrong is. and has been, because of man's interference. Fact! From Animals. Wild life Tsunamis, earth quakes etc.

What good are Termites?
 Trees, some of the tallest in the world, towered a pristine patch of rainforest in the Maliau Basin in Borneo. Birds sang, and wildlife ambled across their' paths. One day, a sun bear skittered across the path in front of them. Another day, a king cobra slithered by.
But the scientists walked past, crossing suspension bridges and pushing deeper into the forest, where they had set up a set of experiments to look at the ecological effects of smaller, less flashy creatures: termites.
Termites, they knew, ruled the realm of the dirt in the forest, chomping through the drifts of leaves that fell from the trees, digging tunnels and aerating the soil, and “engineering” throughout the ecosystem. But they didn’t know exactly how vital the insects were to keeping the forest healthy and functional—so they had set out to tease out their role by removing termites from a particular spot in the forest and seeing how it responded.


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As luck would have it, they started their experiment when the forest was gripped by an extreme drought, during the 2015-2016 El Niño event. And what they found—summarised in a paper published Thursday in Science—was unexpected: termites were everywhere—nearly twice as many as during a typical rain year. And those termites helped the forest to withstand the drought intact and healthy: in the termite-rich areas, the soil stayed moist, more tree seedlings sprouted, and the system hummed along despite the long, hard, dry spell.

“They’re like ecological insurance,” said Griffiths, an entomologist at the University of York in the U.K. The termites, she explains, ended up protecting the forest from the stresses of climate change. Termites to the rescue
Termites get a bad rap. They make headlines for chomping through billions of pounds of property each year in the U.S.—and sometimes for literally eating money. And they are responsible for something like two percent of global carbon emissions, simply by dint of their vast populations and penchant for chewing through carbon-rich materials. A whole industry is geared toward killing them.
But they play a crucial role in many natural ecosystems. Scientists have known for years that in tropical forests, termites chew up fallen leaves and dead wood, keeping the fallen material under control and shepherding nutrients from the dead material back into the system to be used by other plants, insects, and animals.
It has been challenging to disentangle termites’ exact role in many of the ecosystems they inhabit—was it them that did the bulk of the forest floor tidying, or was it the soil microbes, or the ants, or all of them together? But the team figured out a way to get rid of termites and only termites from some little areas of the forest, by dropping little piles of poisoned cellulose—“like toilet rolls, really,” says Griffiths—that the termites and nothing else could digest. Left behind was an ecosystem nearly devoid of termites that they could compare with the unaffected ones, allowing them to tease out the exact role the insects played.
During the non-drought years, they saw, there wasn’t much difference between standard plots and the ones where they’d removed the termites. But during the drought, the effects were marked. Where more termites were munching through the drifts of leaf litter, the soil stayed moist, and seedlings sprouted, helping the forest coast through the worst drought in 20 years.
“Termites can effectively buffer against climate change,” says Rob Pringle, an ecologist at Princeton University who was not involved in the study. “The more we can do to try to maintain the integrity of natural community assemblages, the more resistant they'll be to the challenges of the future, like climate change.”


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The dry future
Scientists predict that as climate change progresses, droughts in the region could get more severe, causing even more stress to the last bits of pristine Bornean rainforest, says Jane Hill, an entomologist at the University of York who has worked in the Maliau forest for years. But to her, the message is clear: the termites are vital to maintaining the integrity of the forest in the face of a changing climate.
But most of the tropical forests left in the world—in Borneo and beyond—aren’t in such perfect, pristine shape, and in many of them, the termite populations have plummeted. “Lots of forests have been fragmented or degraded,” says Hill. “So how resilient are those?”
And in a climate-forced future, even the boost the termites can give the forest might not be enough. “Clearly termites have the potential to be really beneficial,” says Carina Tarnita, an ecologist at Princeton University who was not part of the study. “But what happens to them under climate change? What is their breaking point?”
And for Griffiths, her own study showed her how much left there is to learn about the inter-connectedness of the ecosystem here and in tropical forests around the world. It was only because they happened to study the drought that they could pick out the real importance of termites to the system, she points out. And that “rings alarm bells in my head,” she says, “because it makes me think, well, what else don’t we know? If we start damaging biological communities, we don’t know what that will do.”
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PostSubject: Re: Man ruins anything it touches   Man ruins anything it touches EmptyWed Jan 30, 2019 4:49 pm

Daz wrote:
The dry future
Scientists predict that as climate change progresses, droughts in the region could get more severe, causing even more stress to the last bits of pristine Bornean rainforest, says Jane Hill, an entomologist at the University of York who has worked in the Maliau forest for years. But to her, the message is clear: the termites are vital to maintaining the integrity of the forest in the face of a changing climate.
But most of the tropical forests left in the world—in Borneo and beyond—aren’t in such perfect, pristine shape, and in many of them, the termite populations have plummeted. “Lots of forests have been fragmented or degraded,” says Hill. “So how resilient are those?”
And in a climate-forced future, even the boost the termites can give the forest might not be enough. “Clearly termites have the potential to be really beneficial,” says Carina Tarnita, an ecologist at Princeton University who was not part of the study. “But what happens to them under climate change? What is their breaking point?”
And for Griffiths, her own study showed her how much left there is to learn about the inter-connectedness of the ecosystem here and in tropical forests around the world. It was only because they happened to study the drought that they could pick out the real importance of termites to the system, she points out. And that “rings alarm bells in my head,” she says, “because it makes me think, well, what else don’t we know? If we start damaging biological communities, we don’t know what that will do.”
The non believer types Daz Smile Smile I suspect, believe climate change to a degree is just in ones own imagination running rampant these days I suggest for many of the believer types like myself as such. But Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad our great barrier reef is under extreme stress sadly & one of our largest water river systems we have here has just seen over a million fish die there, with some fish as old as we are sadly dying unfortunately. Now  Wink  Wink place up around the Barrier reef area, just had a wee spot of rain it appears  lol!  lol!  lol! 28 inches  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  in less than two days there  Smile  Smile cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Man ruins anything it touches   Man ruins anything it touches EmptyWed Jan 30, 2019 5:10 pm

Knackered, mankind has so lost his way in the pursuit of ever personal advantage over others and making life seemingly better in all respects that he has actually done the opposite.

Technology has outstripped both commonsense and the ability to control it's effects.

Without an outside help mankind is unable to distinguish between improvement and possible dooms day.


On one side it has given the idiots the means to turn the world into a complete waste land, incapable of sustaining life, as we know it, and on the other hand made many essential means of mankind having a good and normal life under threat.

Just as foretold in the Bible.


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PostSubject: Re: Man ruins anything it touches   Man ruins anything it touches EmptyWed Jan 30, 2019 5:26 pm

I think Greed Misty is the main cause.
Just yell 'Feed the Hungry' and we all give to 'Rich' pockets.
We grow more than twice the food to more than sustain the whole of the worlds population. Yet 1000's of miles of Moors, shores, flood plains are desecrated to grow crops --*-*- Which are then ploughed in or sold on the road side after we have paid for them.
Now they say 'Ah yes, we have plenty of food grown … But it's the cost of transporting it'! Yeah right when have the tankers and million s of air crafts return / fly one way empty. For a small fee they would be only too happy to load some on board. But it is easier to plough back in, sell tax free on the roadside than to feed the hungry. Easier to let children scour and compete with rats and sea gulls on land filled site for food.
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I intend, if possible to write such most days.
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PostSubject: Re: Man ruins anything it touches   Man ruins anything it touches EmptyWed Jan 30, 2019 7:24 pm

MISTY wrote:
Knackered, mankind has so lost his way in the pursuit of ever personal advantage over others and making life seemingly better in all respects that he has actually done the opposite.

Technology has outstripped both commonsense and the ability to control it's effects.

Without an outside help mankind is unable to distinguish between improvement and  possible dooms day.


On one side it has given the idiots the means to turn the world into a complete waste land, incapable of sustaining life, as we know it, and on the other hand made many essential means of mankind having a good and normal life under threat.

Just as foretold in the Bible.


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This Bible thing Misty Smile Smile is it a new fashion thing Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes or some thing maybe, you buy when doing your daily shopping at the local supermarket bounce bounce or an Internet issue, where they desire your credit card for the transaction scenario etc SmileSmile. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Man ruins anything it touches   Man ruins anything it touches EmptyWed Jan 30, 2019 11:53 pm

Sorry, Knackered, you have lost me, the Bible has been around a very long time relative to a persons life expectancy.

It if full of events that were foretold and historically verified, right up to the state the world now finds itself in.


I think it would be a good idea to just look at the state of the world now and have a little peep in the Bible to see exactly what it says it would be like in the latter days.


I think it a little unfair to base an opinion before actually considering the facts.


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The Bible is a learning manuscript. So is the Koran. Other publications. All intepreted by man. Nothing is set in stone. It is how one reads it. How one wishes to follow or ignore it. So basically it is up to the individual.
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halcanada wrote:
The Bible is a learning manuscript. So is the Koran. Other publications. All intepreted by man. Nothing is set in stone. It is how one reads it. How one wishes to follow or ignore it. So basically it is up to the individual.
spot on, have read few books who give different takes on what is written and what is meant in the bible, no question J.C. actually lived but a lot of scribes describe him as a freedom fighter and some a side kick to mary who the catholic church tried writing out of the whole shebang, the whole story been hammered for 2 thousand years, and the armegeddon thing is in our own hands, pricks like putin and trump should be locked up and key thrown away, put 7 year olds in charge of countries they got more idea..... feel better now
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I understand just where your coming from Redrog. Just shows how well the trees have blotted out the truth eh!
But doesn't one often find the easier path! reason as to what suits them! Of course and that in it's self shows we have a freedom of thought. that we aren't 'Robots! I personally will debate.
When it comes to my faith, my religion, I emphasize respect for others views. Their rights.
So I, along with others of my faith, tried to win hearts and not arguments. - We don't have time really. Where a 100 may not agree or be interested, fine... We move on to find those whose hearts are receptive...  willing to consider or accept new suggestions and ideas.

Obviously I hope that some thing may trigger a thought that one may want to know more of / about. But one thing for certain that brow beating, forceful arguments will never win a heart.
So I do actually appreciate your thoughts and right to have them.
Maybe a reasoning like Rain for instance.

Rain clouds hold 100.000 tons or more of water - if that came down in one go, it would squat your car, houses etc. etc.
Yet they are still individual spots of rain. Planes etc. can fly through them … couldn't fly through a lake that size. Water like the sea is a solid. If too big, then lightening  - Lighting strikes over 2080 times every day somewhere - strikes and reduces it. Now the thought could be 'How' and Why' etc.
All rain starts as snow, Before that ALL rain is a solid. Only one has a living creature inside! Why. How. An enquiring mind is what mankind has been blessed with. Yes for sure man enquires after much INDIVIDUALLY. What suits them … so very often having no bearing of truth, or an understanding… But they are happy in the compound of their thoughts and reasoning.
So Redrog I know you have taken things aboard in your lifetime. Have reasoned and come to accept your thinking. I know, like us all, you have debated many things, Girls, pigeons, Cars Houses, your way of life.  That is good and your right and we all must respect that. O.k not necessarily agree with you, but accept and respect.
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Could not agree more, Hal, but if you thought there was something worth while that could benefit others you should at least give it a go and inform them.


Then it is up to the individual.


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PostSubject: Re: Man ruins anything it touches   Man ruins anything it touches EmptyThu Jan 31, 2019 2:43 pm

redrog, see a degree of frustration, and why not?.

Over the ages different people have come to different conclusions regarding the Bibles contents because they were written for those who wanted to learn the truth and seek and find it.


The way I consider it is by looking for the positive and not the negative.


If the Bible says in such a time an event will occur and at the time it would appear based on the existing circumstances it seemed more than likely it would never occur and it did, on many occasions in similar fashion. then I give sound consideration from where the information came.


You say that the Armageddon issue is in the hands of mankind, you are right in a way, but only because the Bible predicts a War of All WARS, prior to ARMAGEDDON.



The Bible says just what the latter day circumstances will be and they are exactly as they are now, around the world.


Do not take my word for it, it is there in black and white.



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redrog wrote:
halcanada wrote:
The Bible is a learning manuscript. So is the Koran. Other publications. All intepreted by man. Nothing is set in stone. It is how one reads it. How one wishes to follow or ignore it. So basically it is up to the individual.
spot on, have read few books who give different takes on what is written and what is meant in the bible, no question J.C. actually lived but a lot of scribes describe him as a freedom fighter and some a side kick to mary who the catholic church tried writing out of the whole shebang, the whole story been hammered for 2 thousand years, and the armegeddon thing is in our own hands, pricks like putin and trump should be locked up and key thrown away, put 7 year olds in charge of countries they got more idea..... feel better now
Been passing the news agent here Rog Wink Wink for weeks etc Smile Smile Nice stack of books on sale, out front "have a guess which one" Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes that have been on sale for all that time as such. Passed by yesterday, new sign above Smile Smile buy one, take 3 freebies free lol! lol! lol! watch with anticipation Wink Wink to just see if the stack diminishes there over the coming weeks Wink Wink. Sadly I'm  affraid  my bones tell me Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes not much will occur/change with the stack there some how Wink Wink. cheers
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Knackered wrote:
redrog wrote:
halcanada wrote:
The Bible is a learning manuscript. So is the Koran. Other publications. All intepreted by man. Nothing is set in stone. It is how one reads it. How one wishes to follow or ignore it. So basically it is up to the individual.
spot on, have read few books who give different takes on what is written and what is meant in the bible, no question J.C. actually lived but a lot of scribes describe him as a freedom fighter and some a side kick to mary who the catholic church tried writing out of the whole shebang, the whole story been hammered for 2 thousand years, and the armegeddon thing is in our own hands, pricks like putin and trump should be locked up and key thrown away, put 7 year olds in charge of countries they got more idea..... feel better now
Been passing the news agent here Rog Wink Wink for weeks etc Smile Smile Nice stack of books on sale, out front "have a guess which one" Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes that have been on sale for all that time as such. Passed by yesterday, new sign above Smile Smile buy one, take 3 freebies free lol! lol! lol! watch with anticipation Wink Wink to just see if the stack diminishes there over the coming weeks Wink Wink. Sadly I'm  affraid  my bones tell me Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes not much will occur/change with the stack there some how Wink Wink. cheers
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