Why highFlyer go high in sky and homers not

Hi,
I have a questions for flight pattern difference between highFlyer (tipplers) and homing pigeon. High flyer go high in sky as much as possible even we can't see them with binocular. But homer don't.
What is different in high flyer that it can go high but homer don't ?

hi and welcome to the forum , good question, and one i have no idea about ...........but logic tells me they are two different species , both are birds like many are, but all birds are different , some birds fly better than others , its nature ....

Thank you for welcome. but as both are from dove family , so I thought why they have different behavior.. like one thing i know is air pressure and oxygen level, when one go high pressure increases and oxygen reduces. Don't know about if breathing is different in both strains but other thing could be wings, they may able to take that much pressure.. or may be something else.

Lets see if some other senior member may answer.

Thanks

David wrote:

hi and welcome to the forum , good question, and one i have no idea about ...........but logic tells me they are two different species , both are birds like many are, but all birds are different , some birds fly better than others , its nature ....

Hi Welcome.

With all types of animals that humans use for different purposes you use those closest to what you want and selective breed on an on gong basis until you get as close as you can to the ideal.


Those originally interested in having pigeons that fly high would select only those that were flying the highest from those available and do so on, an on going basis until you achieved as near as possible the ideal.

This applies to all domesticated animals etc;



Regards.

Just as a rider, some of the cage birds etc; that were beautiful little things have through selective breeding become almost unrecognisable as have many types of show pigeons etc;

Strange how mankind can ruin the best of things.


Regards.

so what you are saying misty, is that yes, they were originally all from the dove family, but over generations of humans domesticating and breeding from certain types, they have evolved ....???

sounds good to me .

Yes David, the same applies to all domesticated animals, just look at what has been the result in breeding dogs for particular purposes, nearly all have health problems allied to certain breeds.

Humans have a lot to answer for regarding animals.

Regards.

I think there will be unique characteristics between highflyer and homer for such different behavior. Due to that reason one going as high as possible and other not. So I am in search of that distinct attribute.

The youngster USED to too. Old birds still do if climate is right, but alas very seldom now Sometime with a little frost they will fly with a lot more vigour and height.

We, Barry and a few others, a while back now, sought the very same answer. The main reasoning was that the air wasn't as fresh or AS GOOD AS IT IS NOW .. polluted like.
Though we feel that that may well bare a reasoning, the next question was How come the Tipplers still do … though not as good as once was.
The thinking there was that they had smaller lunges and need less oxygen. I can't, to be truthful, go all the way with that though still.

Good to see you up and running tanveerhbaig.

All types of domesticated animals originated from the natural wild ones.

All the lungs etc; of a species would have varying capabilities to cope with varying natural conditions.

Just as there still is.

In a bad winter where food is short and far away only those able to go that distance would survive.

However, those that survived would have amongst their genes all types and shortly after from the young bred the Status Que would return and all types bred.

With selective breeding you progressively illuminate that which you do not want in the animal and enhance that which you do.

The success of this method is evident in every domesticated animal, all of which were once wild and survived on the survival of the fittest.

There is no mystery regarding highflyers, good racers, bad racers, fancy pigeons or any other animal manipulated to mans requirements.

Racing pigeons will fly at a height consistent with the prevailing weather conditions, hedge hop or almost out of sight.

So will all other pigeons according to how they have been selective bred.



Regards.

Right on Misty! If one thing has ben a proven certainty, it is meddle with nature at your peril.

Could be that racer's all have vertigo

yb racers tend to fly very high when exercising, ive found .............they seem to fly lower down the older they get

Can remember years ago when fanciers with families they had over a long period had fly a ways, the young would go higher and higher almost out of sight never to be seen again.

Think when in bred over a long period nature says go and find another abode.


Regards.

It is natures way of prevent incest as in all wild life.