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Daz Youngbird
Posts : 4072 Join date : 2018-07-15 Age : 76 Location : Northants
| Subject: NO politian has ever lied Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:57 pm | |
| as much as the Buffoon.
It’s not just Boris Johnson’s lying. It’s that the media let him get away with it!
It’s Friday lunchtime and Boris Johnson is in Oldham. He’s live on Sky News, speaking to supporters in front of his Tory battle bus. During a speech lasting no more than 10 minutes, viewers learn that he is building 40 new hospitals. Sounds good. But it’s a lie that has already been exposed by fact-checkers, including the website Full Fact. The prime minister tells Sky viewers that “20,000 more police are operating on our streets to fight crime and bring crime down”. This assertion is misleading in a number of ways. Recruitment will take place over three years and do no more than replace the drop in officer numbers seen since the Conservatives came to power in 2010. Sky viewers are then informed by Johnson that Jeremy Corbyn “plans to wreck the economy with a £1.2 trillion spending plan”. Labour’s manifesto hasn’t been published, let alone fully costed. Johnson’s £1.2tn is a palpable fabrication. As Full Fact concluded: “Many of the figures behind this estimate are uncertain or based on flawed assumptions.” Johnson then goes on to say that the Labour leader “thinks home ownership is a bad idea and is opposed to it”. I have been unable to find any evidence of Corbyn expressing this view. Perhaps Johnson is referring to the floated Labour policy that would give “right to buy” to private tenants. The policy, which was only ever supposed to target the wealthiest landlords, has since been dropped and, according to the Financial Times, will not appear in the party’s manifesto. Johnson then told his TV audience that Corbyn “wouldn’t even stick up for this country when it came to the Salisbury poisonings” and that he sided with Russia. Another obvious lie. In the aftermath of the poisonings, Corbyn wrote in the Guardian: “Either this was a crime authored by the Russian state; or that state has allowed these deadly toxins to slip out of the control it has an obligation to exercise.” The Labour leader also stated that the Russian authorities must be held to account. Meanwhile, Johnson’s own government is refusing to publish a report into Russian interference in British politics amid reports that a number of wealthy businesspeople with links to Vladimir Putin have donated generously to the Tory party. At the end of his speech, the Sky News presenter, Samantha Washington, strikingly made no attempt to challenge or correct any of Johnson’s false statements. This was just the latest example among many of the British media letting Johnson get away unchallenged with lies, falsehoods and fabrication. Welcome to the Conservative party election campaign. I have been a political reporter for almost three decades and have never encountered a senior British politician who lies and fabricates so regularly, so shamelessly and so systematically as Boris Johnson. Or gets away with his deceit with such ease. Some of the lies are tiny. During a visit to a hospital he tells doctors that he’s given up drink, when only the previous day he’d been filmed sipping whisky on a visit to a distillery. And sips beer on film the day after in a pub. But many are big. Johnson repeatedly claims that Britain’s continued membership of the EU costs an extra £1bn a month. False. He told activists that the Tories were building a new hospital in the marginal seat of Canterbury. False – and shockingly cynical. He told Michael Crick that during the EU referendum campaign, “I didn’t make remarks about Turkey, mate.” He did. On his potential conflict of interest over his friend Jennifer Arcuri, who received £11,500 from an organisation he was responsible for as London mayor, Johnson said: “Everything was done with complete propriety and in the normal way.” We now know he failed to declare this friendship, and is being investigated by the Independent Office of Police Conduct. These lies point to a systemic dishonesty within Johnson’s campaigning machine. His party deliberately doctored footage of the shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer, to make it look as if he was at a loss for words when asked about Labour’s Brexit position. In fact, Starmer had answered confidently and fluently. The video was a deliberate attempt to mislead voters. And when Piers Morgan tackled the Tory chairman, James Cleverly, on the issue, he refused to accept he’d done anything wrong, let alone apologise. |
| | | MISTY Oldbird
Posts : 9024 Join date : 2018-01-28 Age : 89 Location : SCARBOROUGH
| Subject: Re: NO politian has ever lied Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:55 pm | |
| With all his faults, I think, (and am not interested in politics other than as a good example of mans folly in thinking he can govern himself) I would prefer Johnson to any other present politician to deal with the countries problems, ALL MPs are liars and lie to orders or for personal enhancement.
Corby is a despicable individual, has no morals, subscribes to all that any decent person would reject, and would ruin, not only our country, but completely dissolve the fragile circumstances that has so far deferred the inevitable BANG.
The best thing for Corby would be his obituary.
Regards. |
| | | Daz Youngbird
Posts : 4072 Join date : 2018-07-15 Age : 76 Location : Northants
| Subject: Re: NO politian has ever lied Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:33 am | |
| Well Corbyn did solve the Irish peace treaty. Saved a lot of bombings and maiming and deaths.
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| | | Knackered Oldbird
Posts : 14506 Join date : 2013-03-11
| Subject: Re: NO politian has ever lied Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:04 pm | |
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| | | David Oldbird
Posts : 43226 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: NO politian has ever lied Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:10 pm | |
| all politicians lie, just the same as police lie .............they are allowed to ( their words, not mine ) |
| | | Daz Youngbird
Posts : 4072 Join date : 2018-07-15 Age : 76 Location : Northants
| Subject: Re: NO politian has ever lied Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:56 am | |
| No Knackered '... some hard thinking to do I suggest over the coming weeks there with your election unfortunately...'. means nothing to most. the majority won't bother to vote. Apathy? or a waste of time! Well a mixture of both. the saying ' They are all the same regardless whom we vote for' is oh so very true. The main difference id the Labour party believe in and support the N.H.S. and welfare - regardless of some abuses- whilst the Tories are adamantly trying to disband and A. Sell of the N.H.S. and cripple the Welfare state. Indeed soon many won't be entitled to a 'State Pension' thanks to thatcher and her Torie Chums'! |
| | | Knackered Oldbird
Posts : 14506 Join date : 2013-03-11
| Subject: Re: NO politian has ever lied Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:58 pm | |
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| | | MISTY Oldbird
Posts : 9024 Join date : 2018-01-28 Age : 89 Location : SCARBOROUGH
| Subject: Re: NO politian has ever lied Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:40 am | |
| Our system of Government has worked in a reasonable manner for many years, the problem with it is that it has progressively decreased in a representative manner relevant to the wishes of the majority, and pandered to aggressive minority groups that those in power subscribe to.
With regard to the NHS, you will get more satisfied customers than not, go to the best hotel for a meal and receive the very best attention and food, 99% would be overjoyed one would no doubt complain, the only one you would hear about would be the latter.
There is NO possibility of ever having a NHS where you can walk in and have immediate treatment, you cannot cater for the unknown.
If Corby ever got to No 10, the NHS would be far down the ladder of concern, many people who the economy relies on will up camp and away.
Will be interesting to see who lies the most.
Cannot ever see any foreign leaders of consequence having anything to do with Corby.
Regards.
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| | | Daz Youngbird
Posts : 4072 Join date : 2018-07-15 Age : 76 Location : Northants
| Subject: Re: NO politian has ever lied Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:17 pm | |
| Was at the Hospital twice this week. Was at the Doctors this morning. Now when they text you, they state that a missed appointment cost £160! Now that is whether 10 minutes or.... I guess. But then obviously not, because that wouldn't, and doesn't make any sense. So when going private, are those who have invested £millions happy to have a reduce price, say £15 - £30 for a doctor or Hospital appointment? I fear not! They will, as will their share holders will, WANT a big dividend returned!
So then, of course, the waiting lists will be vastly reduced due to cost, Both at the doctors, or hospital! So then the Tory government - for Labour won't sell it of ! That's for sure - Will say it have been a great success as Waiting time are vastly reduced! Who wins? Why the insurance companies and the unvestor who will make big money … and darn those unable to afford. Later even a mediocre rendering of care will costs! Just like in the U.S.A. etc.
I know, let the brain dead vote for the Buffoon... Mind he does mean it when he lies YOU can trust that!
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| | | Daz Youngbird
Posts : 4072 Join date : 2018-07-15 Age : 76 Location : Northants
| Subject: Re: NO politian has ever lied Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:00 pm | |
| Brother told time of waiting list for Heart specialist … Thought too long - it was months. So he went private to see a Dc Cheng - Cost £250 upfront. Spent less than 20 minutes! Went home and waited the results. Told they would be available from …. He waited and waited and waited, still no results came. So he contacted them. He was told 'Yes they are available, but you have to send £200 first! So what would he charge for surgery? Now are we to suppose that he will bring his prices down to suit the masses, or not! Remember he/they are paid a good retainer from the N.H.S. as Nye Bevin had to agree too, and promise, that they could still do their' 'Private Work'! Yes it will cut down waiting time galore --- a sad Lol |
| | | Daz Youngbird
Posts : 4072 Join date : 2018-07-15 Age : 76 Location : Northants
| Subject: Re: NO politian has ever lied Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:09 pm | |
| I remember well, as many of you will the 'Pledge that the Chameleon promised' No more borrowing. Too much has been, so we will have to cut and prune...'
Then within 8 years had Borrowed twice as much! Indeed doubled the actual National Debt! A debt that Gordon Brown gets slained on by the Tories as 'Wasting Money, and should have waited till the price of Gold had gone up! Nicely forgetting the vast amount of interest that would have to be paid was far more than what the debt was worth. We still have 2440 tons of Gold in the Bank of England vaults....
Cut and prune, well he certainly did. Prune any and every thing from the working class. Froze wages and made the £Billionaires, and Money boys at least a third more money in a year! Yes £333.000 and more for a billionaire! Have constantly reduce medical care etc. Less beds and nurses. Fact 85000 nurses! 45000 Police!
What happened to these roads that would ALL be pothole free with in 3 years? Yes you can certainly believe his lies and that is a TRUST! |
| | | MISTY Oldbird
Posts : 9024 Join date : 2018-01-28 Age : 89 Location : SCARBOROUGH
| Subject: Re: NO politian has ever lied Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:32 pm | |
| All politicians have personal opinions many of which they dare not declare for fear of being pigeon holed and charged with discrimination, only they know their true feelings, we only know what they say they believe.
The present debates on TV make me laugh, those asking questions are obviously plants, given a script and maybe given expenses etc;
Time and time again some poor soul will spout about child poverty etc;
If you took 100 people in a line at food banks for instance, and closely examined their circumstance the vast majority would be there to supplement there income to cover things they were buying beyond their means and could well do without.
They complain about housing, and to a certain extent I agree that the cost of rents are too high and I also feel that too many new houses are large detached houses far beyond a ordinary couples means and often second homes, the land could have provided four times the number of affordable homes but not the same profit for the builders.
There was nothing wrong with selling council houses, there can only be one family (usually) in a house and who owns them does not change numbers.
Covered the NHS and with all the moans, we are blessed to have one.
It would also help if our work force actually worked the hours they are paid for in many government departments, along with the Water Board and Gas Boards, when I worked down the pit for a while on a eight hour shift basis you WORKED seven and a half hours having a half hour break, watch a bunch of Gas Board workers etc; work half an hour rest seven and a half.
One of the main problems today people are not prepared to put themselves out to attain ( not all but too many) a good standard of life they think they are entitled to everything with no effort on their behalf.
Regards.
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| | | Daz Youngbird
Posts : 4072 Join date : 2018-07-15 Age : 76 Location : Northants
| Subject: Re: NO politian has ever lied Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:49 am | |
| Of course contrived. Indeed I never bothered to watch one yet … and to be honest unlikely to! |
| | | MISTY Oldbird
Posts : 9024 Join date : 2018-01-28 Age : 89 Location : SCARBOROUGH
| Subject: Re: NO politian has ever lied Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:45 pm | |
| Being curious regarding the NHS and waste etc; and lack of funding I looked up the Tayside NHS employees going off sick in the NHS, this because from a sound informant it is clear that many use the fact that they get paid whilst off sick is being abused.
It turns out that the average WEEKLY hours lost is 5,500.
So not only are those involved paid, the cost to the NHS is doubled because they also lose the services of those involved.
Along with possible operations etc; not being carried out because certain employees are off sick.
So in fact you could say the NHS loses 11,000 x the average wage EVERY WEEK and some operations etc; having to be cancelled, and that's just one part.
It is not money the NHS needs it is better management.
Regards.
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| | | David Oldbird
Posts : 43226 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: NO politian has ever lied Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:53 pm | |
| its management where a lot of the money is going, big wages for men in suits, who havnt got a clue how to run things...........its the workers at grass roots who do all the work, for a pittance . |
| | | MISTY Oldbird
Posts : 9024 Join date : 2018-01-28 Age : 89 Location : SCARBOROUGH
| Subject: Re: NO politian has ever lied Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:09 pm | |
| Could not agree more David.
Went to management meeting open to the public, asked several questions, one being what medical qualifications those sat round the table had, in particular the one doing all the spouting.
There was only one round the table that had any.
Excuse was you did not need medical qualifications to manage.
Many cases of managers abusing position and just moving to another district,
Old boys and girls club.
Regards. |
| | | David Oldbird
Posts : 43226 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: NO politian has ever lied Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:16 am | |
| typical misty, i would think a medical background would be paramount ..........how to run a business yes, but you cannot run a business successfully without a knowledge of what the business is "selling" ,without a medical background how is he / she going to run it at its best ... |
| | | Daz Youngbird
Posts : 4072 Join date : 2018-07-15 Age : 76 Location : Northants
| Subject: Re: NO politian has ever lied Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:10 pm | |
| True management is very often abused. Know Doctors/with management that have hoses carpeted and much else. Where a £40 a week lad is wandering around supposedly looking for any floored flooring! Whilst the N.H.S were charged over £240... and split. where there is money there are crooks... and politicians are amongst the top. |
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