WHY? WHY? WHY?

BHW, 30th July 2021, article by Ad Schaerlaechens.

All fanciers would do well to read it, in particular those who worry about feed, lofts and medication.

Regards.

i dont get homing world misty , nor the racing pigeon weekly

MISTY wrote:

BHW, 30th July 2021, article by Ad Schaerlaechens.

All fanciers would do well to read it, in particular those who worry about feed, lofts and medication.

Regards.

Glad your back here etc Misty important to keep the wheel in motion here as they say Wise man I found Ad Shad as I call him. Talks the spin I've found in my time, but hard to find a more genuine type I suggest when he passes on his wisdom factor in a no nonsense truthful type manner in a pigeon type sense.

ad shag talks alot of sense ,not one of the pompus money men brigade alot would do well to listen to his thoughts/words

Yep, true O/S. I have few acticals written via him. All good woth sense.
True, one can't do them all ... and he has/does alters a little here and there. But always the same basics. Just a tweak like.c

Thing I think he leaves out which is important, MOTIVATION.

In my opinion contentment and the love of the loft and environment
is more important in that respect than anything else, long term.

Regards.

Not such thing, that's why.
In possible to motivate a bird, unless it already has a love and wants to be at its home.
Motivation is needless if the three all important things are active. Contentment - love of home and wanting to be ther. Race fit, and mentally fit. J .M.O.

yes balance is the key...health,contentment and of course something to work with in the first place ie a brain/heart funny how some never night out eh or ever have bad health eh there the ones we want but seldom get

You know, I had a cracking Red Checker. Never had a night out from a race. Flew the distances every year too.
But never ever homed on the day of a toss. Was away 4 days once. Yet I sent it with confidence to the races.

Daz wrote:

Not such thing, that's why.
In possible to motivate a bird, unless it already has a love and wants to be at its home.
Motivation is needless if the three all important things are active. Contentment - love of home and wanting to be ther. Race fit, and mentally fit. J .M.O.

Motivation Daz is relevant in all walks of life or nothing would move.

In our sport it plays a most important part, Widowhood, Nest, etc; etc; etc;

As I have written numerous times, over the past 60 odd years the best Motivation is wanting to return to an environment they love and contentment, it is only common sense that the pigeons have to be capable in health and ability.

As I have written numerous times KEEP THINGS SIMPLE.

Regards.

A hen sitting 14 days is as much as it needs, you can't improve that ... again 3 weeks later. Like wise a cock bird driving a hen to nest with big youngster you can't improve on that.
tjhe amazing wonder is how clever one thinks, believes and tell other as such tjhey planned and got the Motivation just right... is really just placing the nesting circle in orde. The birds do the rest. Widow Hooder/ or hens just fly to love of home and THEIR territory... Ie. nest box/ perch etc. Cock birds don't care what id in the box getting home. A fantail or dove would be trod just the same.

If you have an open loft, young bred in the same loft and kept with the parents
you have natural motivation all the time and if observant know when a certain pigeon is in prime form.

You also have in built immunity over a period of time, no swapping and changing for the latest in breed.

No one has ALL GOOD PIGEONS, but many waste a lot of money and time on ruined DUMMIES, using everything but the kitchen sink to keep them alive.

Everyone has a right to do what they want but facts speak loader than words.

Regards.

If you have a open loft, the very benefit is the birds cycle. Natural conditions.
You know your birds etc. - or should do. You go in and look at their feet first. Clean, and fit doing a
Saint Virtus dance like. Then the alert eyes eyes. The eye liner. They will tell you. Then handle them into the into the basket. Feel their heated bodies.
So simple and easy. Their' Motivation ios in its self a beacon in its self.
Immunity?

always liked the idea of an open loft, only thing that puzzled me is how they trap on race days ........or how they trap when exercising.

even when ive had mine out exercising, i always seem to have problems with them coming in ......so if they were on open loft i`d have no chance

Daz wrote:

If you have a open loft, the very benefit is the birds cycle. Natural conditions.
You know your birds etc. - or should do. You go in and look at their feet first. Clean, and fit doing a
Saint Virtus dance like. Then the alert eyes eyes. The eye liner. They will tell you. Then handle them into the into the basket. Feel their heated bodies.
So simple and easy. Their' Motivation ios in its self a beacon in its self.
Immunity?

always liked a bird with warm feet

[quote="David"]always liked the idea of an open loft, only thing that puzzled me is how they trap on race days ........or how they trap when exercising.

even when ive had mine out exercising, i always seem to have problems with them coming in ......so if they were on open loft i`d have no chance [/quote

Never had a problem trapping David they were always too keen to muck about.

Never trained either young or old, only on the odd occasion for my own pleasure.

On open hole they were in and out all day much of which was in the air up and down, think making nests in and out, up and down etc; made them fit, this in the summer could be for well into double figure hours, you cannot get the same fitness by short tosses, nor for that matter long ones.

Got a lot of pleasure just watching them through the window enjoying life and sitting with them in the loft seeing what was what regarding form etc;

Many fanciers win using many different methods but many are spent forces in a couple of years and drug dependant.

Do not believe any fancier who says they do not use medication both preventative and curative if they swap and change methods and pigeons.

Funny old game.

Regards.

Hardly ever used in last few years. Conned via 'Fanciers Myths, and advertisement a few years back.
Had a couple here in case.... usually run out of date and never used.
Last time I went 40 odd miles to an Avian Vet. Spent £120 quiddies. Well spent. He did a great job. I also learnt a lot. Enough to put me off wasting money on medicences, which I had stopped many years before. Indeed 'Supermarkets' carry nigh all a medicence, or such, needed at far less prices.
Baytril and a different Canker, every time only.
For 'Deep Routed Canker' many, so very many entice and treat for umpteen other things which they are not. Canker in small doses are good for pigeons actually. They prevent other strains from entering. there are 33 different strains.
Canker quickly learns to thrive on any treatment for a pigeob - like rat poison for rats. So one must - if actually getting a canker, treat with a different cure every time.
Just hear the crap 'Have always use ****** and it does my birds great'! Rubbish!

Daz wrote:

Hardly ever used in last few years. Conned via 'Fanciers Myths, and advertisement  a few years back.
Had a couple here in case.... usually run out of date and never used.
Last time I went 40 odd miles to an Avian Vet.  Spent £120 quiddies. Well spent. He did a great job.  I also learnt a lot. Enough to put me off wasting money on medicences, which I had stopped many years before. Indeed 'Supermarkets' carry nigh all a medicence, or such, needed at far less prices.
Baytril and a different Canker, every time only.
For 'Deep Routed Canker' many, so very many entice and treat for umpteen other things which they are not. Canker in small doses are good for pigeons actually. They prevent other strains from entering. there are 33 different strains.
Canker quickly learns to thrive on any treatment for a pigeob - like rat poison for rats. So one must - if actually getting a canker, treat with a different cure every time.
Just hear the crap 'Have always use ****** and it does my birds great'! Rubbish!

Good post, I think canker isn't as prelevant these days as fanciers have taken a responsible approach to managing this problem, medicines or naturally.

yes daz if using canker treatments then be sure to alternate

Three famous avian Vets said 'Change, and mix with Baytril for Deep routed Canker, Plus a couple of National winner who told me the same, and how quick it put their pigeons right. One won the NRCC Thurso National three weeks after treating as such. Another had -- National winner- had told him as such. Both - indeed all told me. including a great scottish flyer ... told by another Avian Vet who also wrote / maybe not now as I don't get the BHW.

Was a time when a Match was wiped around the mouth and throat. seemed to do the trick back in them days.
Stu Wiskem was 12TH National from a That Thurso race. Said he birds came back in great shape. Rested up andtreated good for thje Lerwick Race - one he always wanted to win.
Never flew home. Got sent back in A Basket dead. He took it to that Avian Vet. Deep routed Cancer. Some quick.... but mostly lingers and get worse over a period of time... going through the loft.

Did I herd treat... No, not for that. Would treat every couple of years perhaps.
My biggest mistake, and cost was that £120 vet fee. Because I bought a bag of feed, maples for the week - end as I had run out etc. Another silly mistake, because it was their feed after a little linseed after the race.... clear any toxin's that may be there etc.
The bag, was damp. Didn't notice. On the Monday to Loughborough and Meadow VAvian vet. 33% YEAST, and nearly 40 % iron. Thought first of Samenello etc. They were falling apart. ASK HIM TO DO MORE TEST. HE SAID 'Sure its your money'! Said it was due too their fine condition and health prior that had held some together. Maybe hadn't eaten too much of the Maples. I took two I had culled and two really off colour.

He stated he doubted they would recover enough to race... but he'd do a free examination before I bred from them next season. He did me good and proud. Bred wrll and did ok. racing to a decent extent. He said that was mainly due to the system and fine keeping of the birds.

Sadly he retired soon after, about a year or two. But I never went, or needed to use his very good services again. P.s. I went to one very well advertise Vet - so called. Got taliking, as I so often do -I know you fgind that hard to believe lol'
I mention one or two sytoms regards Pigeon ailments. like samenella etc. He very politely said 'I'm not really up to that, have heard in regards of course. Call in a week or so and I will have looked it up for you'1 i never went back ... but sadly he stated what so very many so called vet should!

I went back to 'Farm Feed' at Brington, who closed sadly, only 20 miles away, to Cooks the other side of Leicester. Great prices. Great selection beside 'Named' feeds'.

Not hardly ever treated, but everone, but everyone would so very often remark what good condition my bnirds were always in. Barry Andrews, an Gary Edmunds said I put the 'Winner's' to shame lol. But the won more than me. Indeed Two of the very best flyers... many miles east of me though lol.

Beauty is only skin deep.

The continentals were using several treatments every month in the 1960s having ruined the basic immune system of their pigeons.

Our pigeons on the other hand were still basically prone only to the normal problems all livestock encounter.

Continental friend said we would be stupid to introduce their problems, (wrote same in the BHW).

Those intent on attempting to get an advantage said I was stupid, the results prove who the stupid ones are, and they are still around smiling in the sports publications, hand in gloves with the vets necessary to keep their sick pigeons alive.

Once you deviate from nature too far you have problems that eventually you are unable to deal with and we are well along that road, YBS etc; will not be the last problem the sport encounters health wise.

Regards.

Many top flyers were using Cortisan. It was actually the goverment that took control and forced a halt .... well for a little while any way. As it was a strain on their' exports, damaging sales to unsespeting idiots buy birds falling to bits over here and other places.

Daz wrote:

Many top flyers were using Cortisan. It was actually the goverment that took control and forced a halt .... well for a little while any way. As it was a strain on their' exports, damaging sales to unsespeting idiots buy birds falling to bits over here and other places.

Too true Daz.

Two fanciers purchased a number of continental pigeons, think it was in the 70s.

Had a well known good fancier have a look at them and told them he would not have them given as they had been given that product and he could tell by the feathers.

They sold them on the pedigrees and made a bomb.

On the other hand a local fancier who won out of turn offered youngsters at give away prices and no one wanted them.

FANCIERS ?????.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

BHW, 30th July 2021, article by Ad Schaerlaechens.

All fanciers would do well to read it, in particular those who worry about feed, lofts and medication.

Regards.

They are a great read I have kept every article that has appeared in the BHW in my folder

Just read in the papers that several Cabinet members at one time admitted taking illegal drugs and I feel the rest were lying.

Think it time for all those in positions of power to have regular health checks and the public made aware of any medication or condition that could affect their ability to carry out their duties.

Think we should start with the old fogy Judges who have obviously lost the plot.

As I have mentioned previously, the illegal drug trade is said to be worth billions so millions must be involved in their use.

Watched the lady running Scotland on the telly the other day, think she is far from being well., along with many MPs.

Regards.