Big Wattles

Where are they going, I was looking at the birds thinking there dont seem to be the the birds around with the big wattles and bold heads like they used to be, is it a fact that we are doing this our selfs we are inbreeding linebreeding and all the other things that go with it, when you look at a feral pigeons everything is small the wattles the head the body you name it, that is because they are breeding brother and sister and all sorts of things we dont no about, I think we are getting the same it will take a few years yet but its something to think about

You have something there Ginger

Must say in my younger days you could always tell the old timers of the loft with the big whattles loved to see them which also gave them caractar (sorry about spelling)

I cant say much as I only have one bird with a big wattle, the one in my avatar, suppose time will tell with the 08-10 birds but you could have a point ginger

i think big wattles and bold heads are something which are part of a breed/family of pigeons make up, its bred into them but if you start crossing other breeds which dont have theres traits it is bound to alter things........

Yes david you have a point there

dordins for instance are know for having good looks and bold heads etc, thats maybe why they do well in shows..........but if bread with another breed which are different it will alter the physiques/traits wont it.

I can answer some of them but not all, I no there is a lot of foriegn birds coming in I dont no why we pay 2 sometimes 3 times more because they have that different ring on Iv got some myself but I dont think its got anything to do with strains I think a lot of people seam to think and mate to birds that would not breed a bird to fly from the bottom of the garden we all wont to get winners but shorly not to the dimise of pigeons I think we are cutting our own throat all most as if it dont matter about tomarow

is the wattle there to attract a mate, thats what i was told

Alex wrote:

is the wattle there to attract a mate, thats what i was told

as far as i know serves no usuful purpose weather it is big or little alex........ could be wrong tho.

It could be I dont no all I no about them is all pigeons have got them

Ginger169 wrote:

It could be I dont no all I no about them is all pigeons have got them

wonder why cocks tend to have bigger ones than hens....? or is it just a male/female thing.......

DAVID wrote:

Alex wrote:

is the wattle there to attract a mate, thats what i was told

as far as i know serves no usuful purpose weather it is big or little alex........ could be wrong tho.

Perhaps it could be that the hens like a bigger wattle

I think its a male/female thing when you look at fowls and ducks they all have them

You have something there David

Ginger your right when it comes to different rings everyone goes mad for a different on a pigeon

Remember Billy O'Neil saying he would never buy a belguim pigeon or a pigeon with a belguim ring as there pigeons came from our war time pigeons and he always said we here have better pigeons

Your right there Don

You have a point there don i seem to be drawn to the nl pigeons

Cheers Ginger glad to get something right

And I no Don your all ways right when your not wrong

Alex just think mate can breed 20 youngsters and get NL rings GB rings 10 of each

Bet you the 10 NL rung youngsters will sell at £50 to £70 pounds each and the same youngsters with GB rings will be harder to sell

Get a different ring and fanciers are more attracted to them

Your right Don, i'm not someone who gets drawn into similar things, but those birds with NL rings i am. Guess some of it is thinking theyre different?

At telford the NL ybs were about 50-100

On the stalls, Birds GB rung with good NL parents and pedigrees £40

Does that mean that's the 3rd thing i've got right now

yes

Come on tell Ian pleassssssssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee