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David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: breeding better pigeons Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:53 pm | |
| grizzle, i dont really think ive seen or read any evidence either way to suggest there is such a thing as eyesign evaluation or not....this is something fanciers either believe in or they dont and it will be like this forever............
is jack barkel onto something or not?, i dont know....but hes a lot more knowleage than some of the doubters ive seen dismissing his theories........... |
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spencerline Hatchling
Posts : 316 Join date : 2011-01-12 Age : 61 Location : Algarve Portugal
| Subject: Re: breeding better pigeons Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:57 pm | |
| - David wrote:
- grizzle, i dont really think ive seen or read any evidence either way to suggest there is such a thing as eyesign evaluation or not....this is something fanciers either believe in or they dont and it will be like this forever............
is jack barkel onto something or not?, i dont know....but hes a lot more knowleage than some of the doubters ive seen dismissing his theories........... Thats true David, Barkel is an exceptional pigeon racer and breeder and he has probably forgotten more than most of us will ever know. |
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birdy2011 Oldbird
Posts : 5539 Join date : 2011-01-01 Age : 63
| Subject: Re: breeding better pigeons Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:59 pm | |
| if it wins on a saturday then it has the best eyes on the day
never heard of greyhounds or races horses mated on the eye sign
but each to there own |
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GRIZZLECOCK Chipping
Posts : 160 Join date : 2011-08-28
| Subject: Re: breeding better pigeons Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:07 pm | |
| - spencerline wrote:
- David wrote:
- grizzle, i dont really think ive seen or read any evidence either way to suggest there is such a thing as eyesign evaluation or not....this is something fanciers either believe in or they dont and it will be like this forever............
is jack barkel onto something or not?, i dont know....but hes a lot more knowleage than some of the doubters ive seen dismissing his theories........... Thats true David, Barkel is an exceptional pigeon racer and breeder and he has probably forgotten more than most of us will ever know. Why would you think barkles an exceptional breeder and racer??? ha ha,he is in the buisness of making money,its laughable,lemon pigeons,the things some so called fanciers do to make money out of fellow fanciers,its sad |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: breeding better pigeons Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:10 pm | |
| sadly theres a lot of fanciers out there who see the hoby of pigeon keeping as a way to make money.........youve only to look on most of the pigeon chat forums to see this. |
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George & Morgan Oldbird
Posts : 7703 Join date : 2011-02-14 Age : 78 Location : west Oxfordshire
| Subject: breeding better pigeons Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:11 pm | |
| what i have seen is within a family of winning pigeons the racers will nearly always have the same colour eye nothing to do with eyesign i like the yellow or violet in a racer and the breeder it does for me need to come from a winning loft |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: breeding better pigeons Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:14 pm | |
| i think the majority of fanciers wont pair up on eyesign, yes they way take it into account but i think most will put winner to winner, or pedigree/bloodline will be considered. |
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spencerline Hatchling
Posts : 316 Join date : 2011-01-12 Age : 61 Location : Algarve Portugal
| Subject: Re: breeding better pigeons Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:26 pm | |
| - birdy2011 wrote:
- if it wins on a saturday then it has the best eyes on the day
never heard of greyhounds or races horses mated on the eye sign
but each to there own Lol, since when does a Greyhound or a Horse have to navigate its way home for Hundreds of miles? You are not comparing like with like. |
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spencerline Hatchling
Posts : 316 Join date : 2011-01-12 Age : 61 Location : Algarve Portugal
| Subject: Re: breeding better pigeons Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:33 pm | |
| - GRIZZLECOCK wrote:
- spencerline wrote:
- David wrote:
- grizzle, i dont really think ive seen or read any evidence either way to suggest there is such a thing as eyesign evaluation or not....this is something fanciers either believe in or they dont and it will be like this forever............
is jack barkel onto something or not?, i dont know....but hes a lot more knowleage than some of the doubters ive seen dismissing his theories........... Thats true David, Barkel is an exceptional pigeon racer and breeder and he has probably forgotten more than most of us will ever know. Why would you think barkles an exceptional breeder and racer??? ha ha,he is in the buisness of making money,its laughable,lemon pigeons,the things some so called fanciers do to make money out of fellow fanciers,its sad If he is making loads of money then good luck to him, it takes a lot of time and effort to breed families of Barless or lemon or whatever colour pigeons and if he is making loads of money they must be in great demand. No one is putting a gun to the heads of these poor stupid fanciers and making them purchase his "Shady wares" lol so the people buying them must like them. |
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Gaz b Oldbird
Posts : 6221 Join date : 2011-10-06 Age : 60 Location : Coming to a club near you
| Subject: Re: breeding better pigeons Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:45 pm | |
| I would never be as bold as to pair up on eyes alone. But what I would say is. Once you have developed a family pigeons. Which takes years of painstaking, selective breeding and of course considerable expense. If you do your job right, you can eradicate, certain faults and fix certain good points. This is what we call breeding true, you can tell pigeons bred by your established families, as they breed true to type. If you do your job right, you will sell many pigeons. This is not a get rich quick scheme. But is all part of the course for the enhancement of your breed. In all honesty, I would say, depending on your dedication. There is not a great deal of money to made, by the normal run of the mill back garden lofts. If you manage to make a living, fair play to you. From my own experience, success makes your birds desirable and obviously the more desirable your birds become. The better prices they command. If you keep proper accounts and work out how much it costs to produce a young pigeon. Then £30 to £50 is quite a reasonable price to pay. Considering you will house the pair all year, vaccinations, feeding. Special additives and tonics, medications. You can never add your time in to the equation. As this is done for free. OK, big established successful studs, that house hundreds of breeding pairs, obviously do make a good a living. |
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Mick Hatchling
Posts : 600 Join date : 2010-03-06 Age : 45 Location : south shields
| Subject: Re: breeding better pigeons Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:47 pm | |
| ive always been told never pair the same eyes together why is this |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: breeding better pigeons Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:32 pm | |
| hi jarra, ive heard never to pair pearl to pearl, but im led to beleive the janssen bros did this regularly and look at their record.......
i dont think ive ever done it, i tend to pair oposites togeather. |
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George & Morgan Oldbird
Posts : 7703 Join date : 2011-02-14 Age : 78 Location : west Oxfordshire
| Subject: breeding better pigeons Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:25 am | |
| as the shows are now starting lets have members question the judges not only how they select they winners but in a class how do they distinquish birds for different distances |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: breeding better pigeons Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:47 am | |
| hi george, i think in principle that would be a good idea....but im sure if someoen asked at my local clubs why this bird had won it would be seen as being hostile towards the judge etc, altho i would emagine the odd judge would welcome it. |
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George & Morgan Oldbird
Posts : 7703 Join date : 2011-02-14 Age : 78 Location : west Oxfordshire
| Subject: breeding better pigeons Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:33 am | |
| David it's a honest question when he is judging how does he tell the distance he thinks a bird is bred for |
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kev d Youngbird
Posts : 1123 Join date : 2009-12-28 Age : 58 Location : wellington
| Subject: Re: breeding better pigeons Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:14 am | |
| ive judged many a time in local club shows when they ask me why i chose that bird as the winner i all ways look for birds i would have in my loft , i look for stance feather quality how clean it is just the over all condition of the birds or bird i must add these shows were through wires and not handling classes . |
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