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David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: systems..... Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:34 pm | |
| what systems are members flying their birds on this season, are they trying something different from last year? darkness, widowhood? roundabout?. |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: systems..... Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:39 pm | |
| when i raced years ago we raced widowhood cocks, at the time (20yrs ago) we were one of only few who flew w/hood....so we were among the highest prize winners. we would have electrolites in the water when returning from a race and would put aviform in the drinkers during the week. the birds would be broken down on depurative after the race and built up towards the end of the week, once racing had started we would stop training w/hood cocks unless we thought they neeeded a training toss. the cocks would fly for about an hour in the morning and about 30-40 mins at tea-time, the hens were kept in a loft as far away from the cocks as we could and had the use of an aviery. at the time we hadnt heard of darkness for the ybs so as yet i have never tried it but am planning on doing so next season hopefully. |
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Don Webb Oldbird
Posts : 14926 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 51 Location : Tipton
| Subject: Re: systems..... Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:31 pm | |
| The widowhood systerm is the main one for people to day that is if you are pushed for time and natural if you are not pushed for time, have a look at Henry Gonzales of bristol who raced two cocks to one hen on a widowhood system just something to thing about and to get the extra yards out of the birds |
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Admin Admin
Posts : 299 Join date : 2009-03-11
| Subject: Re: systems..... Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:35 pm | |
| hi don, when we raced widowood i always thought it was a waste of good hens, would like to try roundabout in the future...my good friend ken(friendslofts ) races on roundabout and does very well. |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: systems..... Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:38 pm | |
| Don, are you racing your birds ? are you in a club.... |
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Don Webb Oldbird
Posts : 14926 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 51 Location : Tipton
| Subject: Re: systems..... Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:24 pm | |
| Hi David no i have now birds now, was in pertnership with my dad but fell out over modern methods as he was a stick in the mud, have been apart of this sport for over 20 years and still keep in touch with the sport by having the weekly books and going to most of the shows
Must say i do miss the birds but with work it makes it hard so until things get better shall be with out pigeons for a little more time yet, David i am from the black country and when i flew the pigeon i raced in the Tipton and District HS which sent 500 to 700 birds a week and that is bigger than most feds. we rased in the worcestershire fed 8,000 to 12,000 but this wes back in the 90's as me and my dad worked and did not have any transport it was hard to train the birds but we had success
The birds i raced were Janssens, Buschaurtt (sorry about the spelling) and Janssen van den bosch
David are you ready for the coming season and what type of pigeon do you fly |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: systems..... Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:31 pm | |
| hi don, im new back to pigeons last season after 20 years away...i bought 3 pairs of lefebre dhaenens (sprint/middle distance) from a fancier in cornwall who was emigrating. i am an individual member of R.P.R.A at the moment and would like to join a club next season and race ybs, although after so long away im finding it hard to get organised and get back into it. |
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Don Webb Oldbird
Posts : 14926 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 51 Location : Tipton
| Subject: Re: systems..... Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:51 pm | |
| David the best thing i would do is take it slow and don't worry, just get some young birds round you train them well or school them well, put them in about 2 to 3 races and then let them mature and as yearling once they have had some training they should start to race well
David if you only have a small amount of young birds then just take your time as you will need them as yearling but after 2 seasons you should be in a position to get a good team of young birds around you and then start to take things a little more serious and a little bit more harder with them as you now have enough pigeons around you to get the amount of pigeons you need, one thing i would say is with young bird do not keep the food from them let them eat what they want but work them hard to find your best, a good tip is try and train when the birds have no food in them but not starving as they are working there muscle and getting the fat of them and don't let your birds mess about round the loft they are either in the loft or out flying and if you can maintain that then you will not waste time on a saturday.
David always play with your pigeons in the loft as soon as they are parted as this helps bond you and the pigeon, when you feed them feed in an open truff and feed by the hand as the pigeons get used to you playing with them and always be gentle as i have lost a lot of races through my dad being ruff and the pigeon racing home only to sit outside the door of the loft looking at my dad and wasteing loads of time and loss the race |
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friendsloft Youngbird
Posts : 1999 Join date : 2009-03-17 Age : 65 Location : Warrington
| Subject: Re: systems..... Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:34 pm | |
| I fly the roundabout system, have done for a few years now, reason being too many good hens were left at home, instead of being raced Ken |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: systems..... Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:51 pm | |
| yes i agree ken, when i raced before we only flew w/hood cocks, and i always thought it was good hens wasted, mind you when we raced i dont remember there being roundabout....(shows how long ago that was....) |
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Don Webb Oldbird
Posts : 14926 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 51 Location : Tipton
| Subject: Re: systems..... Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:04 pm | |
| Hi David
The best person i know who raced a good hen bird was Mark Palmer of Hampsted (Yes the person who does the Gold Ring here in the West Midlands)
If you can get the hens to work for you then you will take some beating |
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friendsloft Youngbird
Posts : 1999 Join date : 2009-03-17 Age : 65 Location : Warrington
| Subject: Re: systems..... Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:21 pm | |
| Hi Don yes i agree mark has always flown a good hen, especialy when it comes to the big races, Ken |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: systems..... Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:24 pm | |
| i watched a dvd about ron green (champion breakaway) and he said he concentrates more on hens now and they do well for him. my friend ken (friendslofts)races his on roundabout and does very well in the results...and no wasted hens... |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: systems..... Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:38 pm | |
| don, ive read that giving peanuts helps to get them tame. in the dvd i mentioned they were very tame indeed and he was playing with them in the boxes |
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Don Webb Oldbird
Posts : 14926 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 51 Location : Tipton
| Subject: Re: systems..... Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:39 pm | |
| to be honest a good hen will beatany good cock on a fair day they exercise better they train better and it is if you don't have to work hard with them unlike the cocks
The hens always look keen were the cocks can loss that edge if not worked properly
David have you considered 2 hens to 1 cock that is if you have lot of hens spare put them to some tumbler cocks try it
If youhave some spare hens lets say 8 pair them up to 4 cocks (tumblers) 2 to 1 cock and try it from there |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: systems..... Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:43 pm | |
| yes don, sounds good...would it make them very keen if they had to compete with another hen? |
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Don Webb Oldbird
Posts : 14926 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 51 Location : Tipton
| Subject: Re: systems..... Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:43 pm | |
| David a good video/dvd to watch is leen bores the young bird specialist of holland and look at how he feeds his young, at waist level
And look at Frank Taskers way his young birds are at waist height also so he can get close to the birds and bond with them also |
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Don Webb Oldbird
Posts : 14926 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 51 Location : Tipton
| Subject: Re: systems..... Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:49 pm | |
| David what you would do is have 3 boxes the cock in the middle and the two hens either side move one hen out of the section and pair the cock to the other hen allow to sit eggs for 10 days then remove eggs leave for 2 days then remove the hen, bowl everything
Leave the cock a few days then bring the other hen in and do the same thing once thishas been done remove the cock place the two hens if the boxes cover the box were the cock has been exercise them and when the racing starts place the cock in the middle box and let the hens see each other and they should be thinking about the cockand other hen
First one back gets the cock |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: systems..... Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:00 pm | |
| yes don ive heard of frank tasker...if there is any videos on youtube i will post it on the portal page with the others for members to watch |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: systems..... Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:04 pm | |
| - Don Webb wrote:
- David what you would do is have 3 boxes the cock in the middle and the two hens either side move one hen out of the section and pair the cock to the other hen allow to sit eggs for 10 days then remove eggs leave for 2 days then remove the hen, bowl everything
Leave the cock a few days then bring the other hen in and do the same thing once thishas been done remove the cock place the two hens if the boxes cover the box were the cock has been exercise them and when the racing starts place the cock in the middle box and let the hens see each other and they should be thinking about the cockand other hen
First one back gets the cock thats what its all about isnt t don...winding them up. ive read about some widowhood cocks being very aggressive in the race baskets and fighting with all the other cocks, the owner must have wound them up a lot... |
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Don Webb Oldbird
Posts : 14926 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 51 Location : Tipton
| Subject: Re: systems..... Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:00 am | |
| David you find that with yealings seeing there hen on the friday night, this is why people tend to show the nest bowl and then basket the cock this keeps the cock carm and quiet
A good widowhood cock is quiet anyway, you look at the top flyer there team of cocks are quiet and look like a ball of fluff as there mind is on the job ahead and not fighting the next pigeon
I will bet that the cock which is to fired up for saturday and messing about in the race basket you can forget him |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: systems..... Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:06 am | |
| when we raced before don, sometimes we would just turn the bowl over and other times as soon as the hen went into the cock pick her up and basket her...then other times we would leave them togeather for a while....i think you have to try different things every few weeks. |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: systems..... Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:07 am | |
| don, when they had started racing did you still train the widowhood cocks or just excercise round home? |
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Don Webb Oldbird
Posts : 14926 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 51 Location : Tipton
| Subject: Re: systems..... Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:45 pm | |
| David if the cocks are exercising round home well then there is no need to train them, but if they start to loss that edge then give them a spin but if you do that don't show the hens
Place the cocks in the basket put the basket in the car go back to the loft put the bowls and hens in the boxes, when the cocks come home they will see there hens which they was not exspecting to see remove the hen as soon as you are back to the loft (only allow the cocks a short time to see hen no contact) leave the bowl in let the cock go to the bowl for five minutes then remove the bowl
Friday night put bowl in for cock to play round and get in then leave for 10 minutes go back to loft take cock to club then waite and see
David hope this helps you |
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David Oldbird
Posts : 42962 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: systems..... Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:45 pm | |
| hi don, at the moment i only have 3 pairs of stock birds and 3 pairs of yearlings...im hoping to start racing next season with ybs, so ive worked out that with the eight 09 ybs im breeding for myself (bred 11 for other fanciers) and the ones i have i should be able to have 26 2010ybs.....that will be 4 ybs each from 3 pairs stock and 2 ybs each off my others which will be my widowhood team..... i wont have many but at least it should get me a start.... |
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