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IANYOUNG Oldbird
Posts : 11428 Join date : 2009-03-30 Age : 60 Location : south shields
| Subject: A Preventative Medication Program That Works Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:38 pm | |
| A Preventative Medication Program That Works
Health or its absence is the key to all results, good or bad! Regardless of the quality of your pigeons, if you are unable to keep them healthy they are doomed to perennially poor results. I believe it is safe to say that the person who has pigeons of lesser quality but has learned to keep them close to the top of their health cycle will outperform a group of superior pigeons whose critical health is little understood and has, unfortunately, been allowed to lapse.
Though this definitely is true, most fanciers haven't a clue as to what does or does not constitute good health. Good health in a racing pigeon is a 365-day activity. The old adage is in fact true: "You only get out what you put in!"
Most fanciers get excited prior to racing old and young birds. Once this is over, the birds take a back seat until next spring. Ah, yes, there is always next year! Hope springs eternal. or does it?
Well, in fact it doesn't! Unless these fanciers have a massive overhaul of their attitudes, they do not have any chance at all of ever improving. Pigeon keeping (all bird keeping, no, the keeping of all living animals) is a hands-on activity. You learn by doing, first and foremost. You also learn by listening, by reading, and by observing; but I guarantee that you never learn by talking, and harping, and pontificating. You know the guys I mean! They let you know that they have forgotten more than you will ever know. Well, a sieve has really never been my idea of the perfect repository of the world's knowledge on racing pigeons! My partner, Jim McLean, always states that unfortunately, "You become what you are around." How can such a simple statement be so profound! Here is a very simple rule to live by: If you cannot say something good, bite your tongue and refrain from saying anything at all!
Our topsy-turvy world has always gotten things confused and it's no different in our own pigeon sport. We always assume that those who do the best also know the most and can teach the rest. This is rarely the case. In the real world, the great coach or teacher is usually the man or woman who could not physically achieve perfection, but who in turn strove to learn all they could so that they could pass it on to all those who did have the ability and could benefit from their own efforts.
In the past I have assisted many fanciers to achieve better results than had, for them, hitherto been the case. Very few ever acknowledge where the info originated, and like the sieve, they have a tendency to lose what it is that they are supposed to hold.
They Must Be Kept Clean
First and foremost your birds must be kept clean. Scrape the loft at least once per day and if you can, twice. The loft must be dry. It must be free of vermin, all vermin. If you can smell mouse, you have already lost! The loft should house less birds, never more. The loft should be adequately ventilated. The water should be changed ever day. Feed should never be present after the birds have eaten. Adequate quantities of minerals, grit, oyster shell, salt, etc. should always be present.
Stop Exchanging Birds
Health cannot be achieved if you are constantly exchanging pigeons with all and sundry. Once you have a colony of birds, work with them and avoid the temptation of always bringing in other birds. The constant exchange of birds is a sure-fire way to insure disaster. Remember that everyone thinks their birds and management are excellent, but the reality is that they have not got a clue. In most cases, the greater the pomposity, the less the ability. Actually, in most cases it's an inverse proportion!
Bio-security is a Must!
Keep visitors out of you lofts. Who knows where they have been and what they will expose your birds to? As simple as these concepts are, they are in fact the key to any bio-security system.
It really is hilarious to imagine that the average chicken farmer (either layer or grower) goes to a greater extent to protect his flock from contamination than most racing pigeon fanciers do!
Pretty easy concepts, don't you think? Keep them clean, keep them fed and watered, keep them free of contaminates, do not trade birds, keep your colony isolated as much as possible, keep visitors out of your lofts. You are 90% of the way to success.
Drug Versus Antibiotic
Oh, let's not forget that we should also understand the difference between a drug and an antibiotic. Yes, yes, I can already hear the smart remarks. Well, an antibiotic is by most considered a drug, but a drug is not necessarily an antibiotic! An antibiotic works by suppressing the immune system, a drug per se does not affect the immune system at all. So you see there is a real difference. There are hundreds of fanciers misusing antibiotics like Baytril. They attempt to use this 3rd generation antibiotic as a performance enhancer. That is, you use the product, it suppresses the immune system, then as the birds come off it there is a slingshot effect as the immune system seems to go beyond the norm, and bingo, super health. Or is it? No, actually a sure-fire ticket to disaster! Do not use these mega antibiotics unless you have done adequate testing with your avian vet! In most cases less extreme older antibiotics will more than serve your pigeons' health needs.
Keep Canker and Cocci Under Control
Generally speaking, you need to keep canker and cocci under control. You will find that by treating your birds every 6-8 weeks throughout the year (you need not worry if the parents are pumping youngsters as it will in no way harm them), neither of these two conditions will ever be of concern again. Ridzol will take care of the canker and Amperol will more than suffice for cocci. These two products can be safely used together. The dosage is 1/2 teaspoon of Ridzol plus 12.55 cc of Amperol per gallon of water. You would use these together for 3-5 days depending on the original count. Remember that both of these organisms are always present in the pigeon. The point is not to eradicate but only to keep at a manageable level that does not adversely effect performance. Remember neither of these drugs are antibiotics.
Internal and external parasites can easily be controlled with Ivomec. Three drops down the throat and no more problems with either.
Sixty days prior to races you can treat the entire race team with Amoxicillin capsules, dosage 5-8 500 mg capsules per gallon of water for a full ten days. The change in the birds is exceptional. This is an especially good idea if you are handling a large number of out-of-area birds for some race or another. Yes, this is the same antibiotic that your children often take.
If the need arises, Vetisulid can be used to treat for E. coli. The dosage is 1/2 teaspoon per gallon of water for 3-5 days. 2/3-3/4 teaspoons for 7-10 days also eliminates cocci. Often an elevated E. coli count will certainly mean reduced performance from your birds.
Once Races Begin
You will find that once the races begin that most really competent flyers treat their birds every week during the races. They treat on a 3-4 week rotational basis as follows.
Week One
Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday after the race treat for canker and cocci.
Week Two
After the race treat Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday for E. coli.
Week Three
After the race Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday treat for respiratory. As regards respiratory you can use Doxin-WO or any combination of Doxycycline plus. You can use Doxycycline at the dosage of 1500 mg per gallon and Tylan at a dosage of 3000 mg per gallon.
Next Race
Begin again as in week one. You will continue this program for the 8-10 weeks of both your old and young bird programs.
There are a thousand other things that you can do including the use of DMG 2000, Carniplex,, Red Cell, wheat grass, citric acid, etc.
365 Days of the Year!
The reality is if you can keep canker and cocci under control 365 days per year. Keep the birds clean and dry and treat as directed during the races, and you will improve considerably your performance (regardless of the quality or lack of same) of your birds. Give it a try. You will notice the difference immediately. |
| | | big pete Hatchling
Posts : 416 Join date : 2010-04-01 Age : 66 Location : lanc's/yorks border
| Subject: Re: A Preventative Medication Program That Works Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:33 pm | |
| great write up ian, I think a lot of the things you say we overlook or take for granted, you cant beat wisdom, good article |
| | | Don Webb Oldbird
Posts : 14926 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 51 Location : Tipton
| Subject: Re: A Preventative Medication Program That Works Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:54 pm | |
| Good bit of information Ian |
| | | IANYOUNG Oldbird
Posts : 11428 Join date : 2009-03-30 Age : 60 Location : south shields
| Subject: Re: A Preventative Medication Program That Works Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:05 pm | |
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| | | bazzio73 Chipping
Posts : 40 Join date : 2011-01-29 Age : 50 Location : aylesbury
| Subject: Re: A Preventative Medication Program That Works Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:28 pm | |
| very usefull for beginners like me, will try my best. thanks buddy |
| | | IANYOUNG Oldbird
Posts : 11428 Join date : 2009-03-30 Age : 60 Location : south shields
| Subject: Re: A Preventative Medication Program That Works Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:38 pm | |
| no probs mate hope it helps |
| | | Paul Hatchling
Posts : 385 Join date : 2009-12-08 Location : South Shields
| Subject: Re: A Preventative Medication Program That Works Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:15 am | |
| Good article Ian, some intresting stuff in there, thanks |
| | | oldstrain Oldbird
Posts : 16272 Join date : 2011-01-03 Location : the magic roundabout
| Subject: Re: A Preventative Medication Program That Works Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:20 am | |
| excellent write up ian and very helpful to people in the pigeon game old and new also i have just put a book down called east to west by kevin hurst which was recommended to me by another user of the site and he strongly advises the 3 week medication cycle also which if you race week in week out,as the saying goes your only as clean as you dirtiest club member |
| | | IANYOUNG Oldbird
Posts : 11428 Join date : 2009-03-30 Age : 60 Location : south shields
| Subject: Re: A Preventative Medication Program That Works Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:56 pm | |
| yes mate your right there |
| | | peel bros Oldbird
Posts : 13064 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 59 Location : south shields
| Subject: Re: A Preventative Medication Program That Works Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:13 pm | |
| just one thing ,the bit about cleaning out,i know a few top men who do,nt clean out at all,just maybe the boxes,one of these is a top top flyer here in south shields.so how does this work then,plus i heard they build up a better ammune system.i personel view is as long as they are dry and you have good ventalation in your loft,is one of the main factors,but what do i know just my opinion |
| | | IANYOUNG Oldbird
Posts : 11428 Join date : 2009-03-30 Age : 60 Location : south shields
| Subject: Re: A Preventative Medication Program That Works Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:26 pm | |
| thats a lazy mans view ray keep them clean youll get better results |
| | | IANYOUNG Oldbird
Posts : 11428 Join date : 2009-03-30 Age : 60 Location : south shields
| Subject: Re: A Preventative Medication Program That Works Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:27 pm | |
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| | | Alex Youngbird
Posts : 3337 Join date : 2010-09-22 Age : 84
| Subject: Re: A Preventative Medication Program That Works Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:28 pm | |
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| | | IANYOUNG Oldbird
Posts : 11428 Join date : 2009-03-30 Age : 60 Location : south shields
| Subject: Re: A Preventative Medication Program That Works Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:08 pm | |
| think its a p'ss take disgusting condition the lazy barstewards |
| | | Rudderfett Youngbird
Posts : 2152 Join date : 2009-09-27 Age : 55 Location : pembrokeshire
| Subject: Re: A Preventative Medication Program That Works Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:51 pm | |
| probably the best article yet that I have seen on here, very interesting, thanks Ian. |
| | | IANYOUNG Oldbird
Posts : 11428 Join date : 2009-03-30 Age : 60 Location : south shields
| Subject: Re: A Preventative Medication Program That Works Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:05 pm | |
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| | | kev d Youngbird
Posts : 1123 Join date : 2009-12-28 Age : 58 Location : wellington
| Subject: Re: A Preventative Medication Program That Works Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:25 pm | |
| - ian wrote:
- think its a p'ss take disgusting condition the lazy barstewards
may be so ian , but what them two have won in top compition is unbelieveable like they say they have top quality pigeons and who knows if they realy put the effort in they could win more but the pigeons are happy and winning so who,s wrong them or us lot . cheers kev |
| | | IANYOUNG Oldbird
Posts : 11428 Join date : 2009-03-30 Age : 60 Location : south shields
| Subject: Re: A Preventative Medication Program That Works Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:57 pm | |
| still doesnt say this is right not for me |
| | | Alex Youngbird
Posts : 3337 Join date : 2010-09-22 Age : 84
| Subject: Re: A Preventative Medication Program That Works Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:01 pm | |
| all the theories of being dry/clean/well ventilated, they have proven otherwise but as i said each to there own its not for me |
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