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PostSubject: The Meulemans Pigeons   Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:46 pm

To set the stage for this example, the Meulemans pigeons are a combination of the Janssens and the Huyskens. And the Van Den Bosch pigeons are some of the original birds of the Huyskens van Riels.

In the 1970s the renowned “Golden Couple” were paired in the loft of Karel Meulemans. A crossing of Janssen and Van Den Bosch, the Golden Couple produced exceptional children, and quite prolifically. These exceptional children were great breeders and prime examples of complete outcrossing producing excellent pigeons.

Children of the “Golden Couple” included the famous “Piet” which bred for the German millionare Hermes. There is also the famed “Kadet”, “Merck”, “Schone Donker”, “Junior” and so on, many champion birds. All were crosses, great breeders and often fantastic racers. Today, there remain quite a few supreme Meulemans in the U.S. producing superior birds.

Karel Muelemans bred the children of the “Golden Couple” back to the family. For example, Kadet was bred to another Janssen hen and some of the other siblings were bred back to children of the other birds. Basically, after the discovery of a super gene pool, the family was the combined with the same gene pool. Karel Meulemans mistakes may lie in the fact that he bred the birds too close for too many generations and sold too many from this family while lacking proof that these pairings were working.

However, a family still with quality, a Meulemans hen was imported from Wilhelm Wulfmeyer in 1994, and then sold in 1996. In 1997, that hen, crossed back to a Janssen, bred the second National AU Hall of Fame pigeon. The point is that the whole family started with a pairing of two totally unrelated pigeons but this outcrossing resulted in exceptional breeders. So, don’t necessarily hesitate in using an outcrossed pigeon as a breeder. Ultimately, it is the bird that it is paired to that is most important.

You may not want to do more than two crossings in the breeding of your own birds. When making a crossing, use the bird that is quite successful in racing, consistently winning. Look for a pigeon that is in the top 10% in competition in your own loft and in club, combine or concourse competitions. Even with an occasional fall into the top 20%, the bird would still be considered very good.

If you do have a racer this successful, and whether it is carrying a breeding coefficient or not, consider it a possible breeding quality bird. If this is an outcrossed bird and you are considering breeding from it, try to pair it with a bird that is related to it.

Success in the racing performances is the standard for selecting breeding stock. This can be true for pigeons that cost virtually nothing and with pigeons that cost thousands of pounds The value of the birds you choose as breeders ultimately lies in how you pair them.

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PostSubject: Re: The Meulemans Pigeons   Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:28 pm

interesting reading rene, i always thought the vanden bosch were janssen based and also that the mulemans were too......... scratch scratch
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PostSubject: Re: The Meulemans Pigeons   Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:33 pm

interesting reading rene thanks mate
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PostSubject: Re: The Meulemans Pigeons   Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:45 pm

Good bit of information Rene study
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PostSubject: Re: The Meulemans Pigeons   Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:07 am

I have a pair of them they didn't breed Evil or Very Mad will have a go this year
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PostSubject: Re: The Meulemans Pigeons   Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:24 am

DAVID wrote:
interesting reading rene, i always thought the vanden bosch were janssen based and also that the mulemans were too......... scratch scratch

quite a few of mine are muleleman/vanden bosch in their pedigrees david but basically janseen based
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PostSubject: Re: The Meulemans Pigeons   Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:55 pm

Very Happy Well I have several janssens, meulmans, v.d.b, and deklaks, all janssen based and all breeing and racing well for me.......... scratch
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PostSubject: Re: The Meulemans Pigeons   Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:57 pm

hi martyn, do you know if the van loons are janssen based.....? some say they are and others say they are not. scratch
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PostSubject: Re: The Meulemans Pigeons   Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:28 pm

Yes they are David
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PostSubject: Re: The Meulemans Pigeons   Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:35 pm

dont most of todays strains have jansen brothers bloodlines somewhere along the lines
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PostSubject: Re: The Meulemans Pigeons   Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:43 pm

Very Happy Dons right van loon did have birds from the janssens, so the answer is yes they are janssen based.
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PostSubject: Re: The Meulemans Pigeons   Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:03 pm

Cheers Martyn on a roll mate have got 2 things right mate yep pee lol! lol! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: The Meulemans Pigeons   Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:30 pm

been reading about the van loons and it doesnt say they are janssen based, it says they are often crossed with them tho.........also says they were crossed with eijerkamp birds. scratch


http://www.pipa.be/en/newsandarticles/reports/pigeon-crack-louis-van-loon-poppel-be-basis-spectacular-performances-pigeon-
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PostSubject: Re: The Meulemans Pigeons   Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:40 pm

David they are all crossed mate
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PostSubject: Re: The Meulemans Pigeons   Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:41 pm

yes don, your right............i think all these "modern" breeds are carrying the blood of all the older breeds we never hear about now because they are out of "fashion" lol!
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PostSubject: Re: The Meulemans Pigeons   Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:20 pm

The problem with belguim is to advertise you have to pay to get in the books were in this country you don't have to

That is the reason why a lot of good fanciers are not heard of because they will not pay for advertisements, that is the same with fanciers hitting belguim when the season has just finished because they want to find the good flyers before everyone else
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