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From Fed Topper to Master Chef
The N.E.H.U race from Melton Mowbray 21/4/2012 was won by Peel bros of South Shields, they took 1st club 1st fed, also taking 2nd and 4th club and 15 of the 25 birds clocked in the club......well done Peel brothers.
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PostSubject: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:55 am

i have heard news of a fanciers birds being poisoned by concentrated garlic given to him by a freind who works in the food industry ....he put 3 tea spoons on his corn and hopper fed his stock and in 48 hours 101 birds have died .....costing him thousands in lost stock and many years of dedicated breeding and some multiple prize winners....so the moral of the story for me is never take a chance on what you give your birds.this must be heartbreaking for the guys involved and i feel so sorry for them No
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:59 am

must have been something else in the liquid didnt think they could die with garlic overdose
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:03 pm

me neither ian.......... Question
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:06 pm

Concentrated garlic, doesnt really work, especially if it has been cooked in any way, as it takes the most active property out of it. Allicin. There must have been something else present.
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:07 pm

yes this is what we are saying
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:09 pm

super concentrated garlic maybe mmmmmmmmmm i wonder what to much sulphur in a pigeon would cause but have to say i think something else must have been present in the garlic
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:12 pm

It's a great tragedy for the fancier, that's why i do all my own preparations. Garlic I just usually put it under the blade of a knife and crush it, then add it to the drinker.
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:14 pm

i just peel a clove and put it in the drinker
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:13 pm

these flyers are called apleton and longstaff are they from the north east
i think some one said they are so you might know of them ray and ian .
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:24 pm

Do you give them a pro-biotic afterwards Ian?
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:26 pm

by what ive read about this it seems they put three table spoons of this concentrated garlic oil into a bucket of corn, surely this is a lot anyway i would have thought............. scratch

not decrying them, its a terrible thing to loose your birds in this way, i do feel for them.
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:34 pm

I'm not sure the Garlic caused the deaths.
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:35 pm

is it possible to overdose on garlic ? what could be in it to cause this.....?
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:40 pm

I've never heard of it before. but it can sometimes knock out some of the good gut flora. There had to be something else in the concentrate. I think they need to send it off and get it analysed.
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http://pigeonbooks.com/index.php?r=14&c=73&l=en
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:44 pm

yes interesting gary, i think they could do with getting one of the dead birds tested to see......i know it wont bring them back but i do think it would be of benefit to know what killed them............
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:48 pm

I Sure HOPE we get a "TRUE" answer about what caused a loft FULL of birds to die
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:50 pm

Ive used for years mate, but only fresh cloves, ive never heard anything like this happening before,
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:01 pm

sad news . Why do fanciers give theyre pigeons garlic ? The onlky animal ive ever heard of eating and i have done so myself is marine fish as it increases appetite and immunities to parasites . Is this the reason ?
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:08 pm

Question for Penny--Why do you "NOT" give your pigeons Garlic?
What medications do you give your Birds??
PLEASE help us Old Timers Out.
Have I been doing my birds WRONG for the last 35 years?
I kept 2 Cock birds for 20 years--What could I have done to keep them longer????-PLEASE tell me where I went WRONG?
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:09 pm

garlic is, so im told a natural antibiotic......and can help stop such ailments as cocci and digestive problems.
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:11 pm

Sky Tx wrote:
Question for Penny--Why do you "NOT" give your pigeons Garlic?
What medications do you give your Birds??
PLEASE help us Old Timers Out.
Have I been doing my birds WRONG for the last 35 years?
I kept 2 Cock birds for 20 years--What could I have done to keep them longer????-PLEASE tell me where I went WRONG?

Excuse me?
I asked a question -didnt say you were doing wrong did i?
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:14 pm

Penny--Don't beleive all you Hear or Read
"My pigeons can pull a fright Train-couple them up"
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:15 pm

David wrote:
garlic is, so im told a natural antibiotic......and can help stop such ailments as cocci and digestive problems.

Wow didnt know that .
Has anyone had success killing Coccidiosis with garlic , its really hard to shift in other birds but never heard of Garlic being used .
Im genuinly intrigued before anyone jumps on me Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:19 pm

i dont think anyone can really say its definately stopped such things as cocci etc, but maybe users could assume that by not catching it one year it was down to the garlic.......i dont know so dont quote me on it.

it is supposed to be beneficial tho` and is a natural antibiotic.........also honey is good for pigeons as this has healing properties too.
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