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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:21 pm

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i dont think anyone can really say its definately stopped such things as cocci etc, but maybe users could assume that by not catching it one year it was down to the garlic.......i dont know so dont quote me on it.

it is supposed to be beneficial tho` and is a natural antibiotic.........also honey is good for pigeons as this has healing properties too.

So the same as marine fish , more a prevention of a parasite rather than a cure -makes sense .
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:22 pm

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i dont think anyone can really say its definately stopped such things as cocci etc, but maybe users could assume that by not catching it one year it was down to the garlic.......i dont know so dont quote me on it.

it is supposed to be beneficial tho` and is a natural antibiotic.........also honey is good for pigeons as this has healing properties too.

So the same as marine fish , more a prevention of a parasite rather than a cure -makes sense .
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:27 pm

Penny--sign in to the Chat Box ever how and then.
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:31 pm

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David wrote:
i dont think anyone can really say its definately stopped such things as cocci etc, but maybe users could assume that by not catching it one year it was down to the garlic.......i dont know so dont quote me on it.

it is supposed to be beneficial tho` and is a natural antibiotic.........also honey is good for pigeons as this has healing properties too.

So the same as marine fish , more a prevention of a parasite rather than a cure -makes sense .

yes, i would say it is p/p.....more of a preventative........
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:51 pm

Penny-you ever read or heard about giving Pigeons or Dogs Delta Albaplex?
It is very GOOD for them.
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:13 pm

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garlic is, so im told a natural antibiotic......and can help stop such ailments as cocci and digestive problems.

Wow didnt know that .
Has anyone had success killing Coccidiosis with garlic , its really hard to shift in other birds but never heard of Garlic being used .
Im genuinly intrigued before anyone jumps on me Evil or Very Mad

im not an exspert but do know that garlic has a beneficial effect on worms ie round worm and tape worm and is a natural antibiotic but not so sure about cocci and used in moderation benefits the birds health but i personaly only use it 1 a week jmo
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:22 pm

We use it once a week, with honey, I will say one thing it helps boost their immune system and we rarely use medication.
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:12 pm

i think it said in the article gary posted earlier that it reduces the chance of cocci, best check tho because im not certain...........
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:26 pm

so is it diced and put directly into the food?
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:29 pm

No mate just crush it and stick it in the drinker.
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:31 pm

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so is it diced and put directly into the food?

i dont give my birds it now p/p, i stoped using it this season ...in place i used cider vinegar and honey in the water at a rate of one teaspoon per litre of water, when i did use garlic i place one crushed clove in the drinker and leave it in 24/7 until it went slimey........then i would give them a break from it for maybe a week or so before adding it again.
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:33 pm

yes i give all my birds garlic in the water ,i just peel the other layer off snip the ends to release the oils then they get it everyday . unless i am giving them somthing else in the water at that time then they just get it constantly. always been told to give them it evryday. never had any problems with it. and its cheaper than buying the concentrate in a bottle . and ya can grow your own if you want. and once used they go in the bath water one just to help keep the lice away. waste not want not.
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:08 pm

mine do get garlic one clove in the water as i dont want it to be too strong tasting for them

use cider vinegar too but not often, and also buttermilk is good too apparently
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:05 pm

have you found anything else out daz sure theres more to it than garlic
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:32 pm

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have you found anything else out daz sure theres more to it than garlic

the only bit i can add ian is that the garlic used was to make garlic butter in a food factory i think the dose to make the butter was 50 fl oz to 3 tons of butter so must be ultra strong we aint talking ordinary garlic by the sounds of it
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:35 pm

what a fool giving it to his birds
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:35 pm

bet he wont do that again
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:38 pm

Gutted, It's like when I was getting wheat-germ oil. I just did a little tester first.
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:47 pm

garlic thins the blood if im right? surely a high dose would thin it so much they die?
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:27 pm

shame i know skunky he will be gutted
a top flyer in the teeside fed
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:49 pm

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garlic thins the blood if im right? surely a high dose would thin it so much they die?
dout it very much alex
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PostSubject: Re: shocking news   Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:37 pm

it seems it is the super strength garlic that has caused the death of the birds damaging tthe liver .......to much sulphur
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