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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Tue May 01, 2012 10:50 pm

its not arguing martyn, its expressing an opinion......if you have done a perticular thing then youve every right to say so, if others have done things differently or bred certain colours then they too have a right to say......

each to their own, this is what a discussion forum is all about........ cheers
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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Tue May 01, 2012 10:52 pm

correct David, thats the good thing about this forum many views and interesting discussions. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Tue May 01, 2012 11:10 pm



A Blue and a Ch Pied WF bred this.


A red and a blue bred this.


See the two at back right, a blue and a cheq bred these two.

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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Tue May 01, 2012 11:16 pm

are these the ybs at home, or at the allotement gary.....?
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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Tue May 01, 2012 11:17 pm

These are at the allotment David.
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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Tue May 01, 2012 11:20 pm

all looking well gary, how many are there in the allotment team ?
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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Tue May 01, 2012 11:22 pm

I think around 80 mate. He has no old birds on, just a few late breds so he's hoping to get a good team of yearlings out of this lot.
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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Wed May 02, 2012 1:20 am

Hope you are able to keep a good team out of them,
they are looking well mate wish you all the best with them
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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Wed May 02, 2012 6:48 am

Gaz b wrote:


A Blue and a Ch Pied WF bred this.


A red and a blue bred this.


See the two at back right, a blue and a cheq bred these two.



fook me gaz there a bit of variety there i like the [ied second in from the left in the last pic looks a smasher


the red in the last pic looks like what i would call a recessive red and the other one next to it as well but looks like it was another modifying gene there as well

i remember when i was about 10 i used to prey for mealies and grizzles off our old deans grizzle cock but they usually didn't last long Sad Sad
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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Wed May 02, 2012 7:39 am

i,ll get a photo of it lads
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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Wed May 02, 2012 11:59 am

do you believe everything you read??? I have a news paper which says theres a double decker bus on the moon Wink
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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:55 pm

Maybe the blue hen as been cross treded ive had this before with show pigeons I had 2 different breeds a hen laid and both young birds were cross bred but was paired pure when the cock mounts a hen other cocks knock him off and jump on
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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:15 am

David wrote:
just need to alter what i said ray, ive a pair of janssen blue bars whoalways seem to breed a slatey every season, the rest are blue bars......

slate is dilute of blue so no red in it .

my father in law had a good pair of blues both at racing and breeding

then one year he got 2 reds in the nest from his pair of blues , he had no reds or mealys in the loft , he said my blues are breeding reds , no way i said he said well i aint got a red in the shed , yesi said but remember that 5yr old red welsh cock stray that was on your loft for a week 4 weeks back , oh dear he said it must have nicked the hens . lol theres usually an exsplanation somewhere .lol
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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:22 am

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do you believe everything you read??? I have a news paper which says theres a double decker bus on the moon Wink


Nooooooo !!!!!!!!!! Smile Smile to the first part. But I did see that bus Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes when I last visited auntie Genevieve on the moon. cheers 
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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:02 am

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correct David, thats the good thing about this forum many views and interesting discussions. Very Happy

True what you say Rudderfett/David "Re this topic" In all the years I have been involved & all the theorys/topic's one studies etc. This one has caused me the most problems in relation to understanding it. Right or wrong I just accept what ever comes out of the egg so to speak, is what it is. Strange colours/patterns accur many times for what I have seen, but at the end of the day it's the first pair of legs through the trap that really matters & I will leave those that wish to study this subject, to do their own thing & wish them all well. cheers 
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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:43 pm

well i have not read all of these posts on this subject, but if you look in my loft, it is like a multy coulourd swap shop, but wait a miniut dont all strains of pigeon come down from the rock dove, and are they not blue ?, and you can breed almost any colour from a blue ?, cant you.Basketball 
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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:33 pm

all ive ever bred from two blue bars paired togeather is blue bars, with the occasional slatey.......
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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:27 pm

A blue barred pigeon can carry a recessive red gene so 2 blues bred together carrying this hidden  red gene can breed a red (a throwback) I have 2 birds that are predoninantly white one with a litle black (the hen) The cock carries the red gene I have bred from them Reds, Whites, white Griz, Blues and mealies.

So I believe you have a ressesive throwback and it will be interesting to see how the bird shapes up for you either good or Rubbish, lol.

here is a short viideo explaining Colour in Phenotype and Genotype genes  
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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:13 pm

spencerline wrote:
A blue barred pigeon can carry a recessive red gene so 2 blues bred together carrying this hidden  red gene can breed a red (a throwback) I have 2 birds that are predoninantly white one with a litle black (the hen) The cock carries the red gene I have bred from them Reds, Whites, white Griz, Blues and mealies.

So I believe you have a ressesive throwback and it will be interesting to see how the bird shapes up for you either good or Rubbish, lol.

here is a short viideo explaining Colour in Phenotype and Genotype genes  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhXRa8IwLSM

 the video in question is far from correct
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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:28 pm

i have blue bars bred off red cheqs and mealies....and so far they have never bred a red, altho theres still time yet i suppose, never say never eh.......
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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:32 pm

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 the video in question is far from correct[/quote]


That may be the case I am no expert but I have bred all the colours of the rainbow from 2 predominately white Roland Janssen pigeons but it is still possible even if unlikely that a red can be bred from 2 blue bars

The Red bird in question could be the result of some new mutation. The first possibility or adulterous chance mating is very common in open lofts while the odds for the second, a mutation, is more unlikely  but still Possible. Below is a passage from Elimar "Gordon Chalmers"

Pigeons that are recessive red, with the typical red bodies, flight and tail feathers can be bred off some blue bars and blue checkers - witness the typical recessive reds in the Janssen-van den Bosch pigeons. Remember that the dam of the Oude van den Bosch, the progenitor cock of the Meulemans family, was a recessive red hen. This gene for recessive red has since been passed along to many generations of pigeons in this splendid family.
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PostSubject: Re: strange if you ask me    Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:23 pm

The colour of a pigeon and what can breed what is always a topic of conversation with the latest question being “Can two blue’s breed a chequer” From my experience no but as always with these questions I put it too our resident genetics enthusiast Chris who came back with the following. “Blue Bar x Blue Bar can only breed blue in terms of colour and bar in terms of pattern. They could if both carrying the "e" gene for recessive red breed a chocolate but this would be shown as a blue pigeon with the modifier giving the chocolate appearance. Blue is the colour and Chequer is the pattern. If the pigeon concerned is chequer in colour, then because chequer is dominant to bar, then one of its parents must be a chequer of some kind, either red chequer (carrying blue) blue chequer or silver chequer (recessive)” It is always nice to have someone handy who knows about and understands genetics much better than I do. This question came about because there was a blue chequer on our auction site and had the original pedigree attached so I suppose the question was always going to be asked. The fancier selling the pigeon was only doing so in good faith because he has the original pedigree. But and there is always a but when such things arise there could of course have been a wrong ring number put into the computer when the pedigree was first done and this not noticed, with using computers ever day I know that this is an easy mistake to make. What I did notice from looking at the pedigree was that three of the grandparents were blue chequers.

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