yes lads i was lucky when i started lads geting my late uncles birds and some from his partner just before he packed them in after 50 odd years so its really a credit to them not my self will start tacking credit once they start winning for me as its my third year now so fingers crossed still in the hunt for my first red ticket lads am sure it will come soon enough been close to it but no cigar yet but its only time soon have my first win in the bag