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PostSubject: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:21 pm

Well the result is finally through and we got the final Bannana skin race out of the way and picked up valuable points for clocking 2 birds, we got 3 but its your 1st 2 that score the team points. It was a smash race that went on for 3 days, only 28 birds in race time some good fanciers got 1 bird or nothing , we got another bird on the morning of day 4 but he was out of race time as the race closed day 3. There should have been 36 birds to fill the top 20% but only 28 made it. WE ARE VAI & VEM Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:15 pm

again well done to you
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:05 pm

your aways in the hunt kev.
going well.cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:24 am

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True !!!!! Well done SmileSmile I assume thou you have an electronic clock. If not, you would be knackered waiting for them I would say. In the past !!! I just loved those types of battles, which you have just experienced. Nothing but admiration from me for the little champs, when they hit the trap. Many a time I've just about cried or give them a kiss lol!lol!lol! when they have done it tough etc as yours could testify too.cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:58 am

Cheers guys, and yes Knackered we do have an electric clock but I was there till 10pm on day 1 and then up at 5am to get to the loft before 6am on day 2, lol, we cobbled together a team for this long race and kept all but 1 of the better birds in the loft for the last 3 races of our season.(The birds that homed have earned their perch in the loft for next season, they are finished now this season as they flew their hearts out)
This was the last Long race of the season and as it has happened we have moved into 3rd place in the General race result for, sprint/middle and long distance.  We cannot be champions as we are too far behind but we can win the bronze medal. We can however still be champions of sprint and the Bronze wing is up for grabs in the Middle distance.
This week we are at Sardoal 175 miles, it is not a great racepoint for us as it is on the West side of North Portugal and we are in the West of Southern Portugal and the winds are almost always strong West blowing the birds in to the East to the Guys who measure longer and their birds get a blow home while ours fight a crosswind.
That being said we have to be optmistic as the birds are in fine fettle and some of the yearlings are re entering the fray. "Let battle commence"
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:06 pm

well done kev and good luck lets hope you can pick up a prize atb
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:28 am

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Cheers guys, and yes Knackered we do have an electric clock but I was there till 10pm on day 1 and then up at 5am to get to the loft before 6am on day 2, lol, we cobbled together a team for this long race and kept all but 1 of the better birds in the loft for the last 3 races of our season.(The birds that homed have earned their perch in the loft for next season, they are finished now this season as they flew their hearts out)
This was the last Long race of the season and as it has happened we have moved into 3rd place in the General race result for, sprint/middle and long distance.  We cannot be champions as we are too far behind but we can win the bronze medal. We can however still be champions of sprint and the Bronze wing is up for grabs in the Middle distance.
This week we are at Sardoal 175 miles, it is not a great racepoint for us as it is on the West side of North Portugal and we are in the West of Southern Portugal and the winds are almost always strong West blowing the birds in to the East to the Guys who measure longer and their birds get a blow home while ours fight a crosswind.
That being said we have to be optmistic as the birds are in fine fettle and some of the yearlings are re entering the fray. "Let battle commence"

Interesting Kev, I must admit, since I have been here. I have enjoyed your post's in regard to the racing in your part of Portugal etc. In a kind way lol!lol!lol! I'm not an eye sign man. But !!!!!! differant strokes for differant folks & it all makes the world go round, as they say. Now !!!!!! 3 questions if I may (in for a penny in for a pound).
 1, Right hand side of your results etc, there are differant numbers beside the flyers "what does it mean" if I may ask.
2, You have mentioned that your loft is not at your place of residence etc I believe "how far do you have to travel, to the loft".
3, Eye sign Rolling EyesRolling EyesRolling Eyes The 2 birds clocked in your recent smash race, were they in any way, differant to what I would call your spinters etc. If so, could you please explain to a curious bloke like me.
Finally !!!  Next time your talking to your good friend Myron "ask him" lol!lol!lol! does he miss his old mate ??????  "Mr eyesign" Bob Fleming. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:16 pm

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Cheers guys, and yes Knackered we do have an electric clock but I was there till 10pm on day 1 and then up at 5am to get to the loft before 6am on day 2, lol, we cobbled together a team for this long race and kept all but 1 of the better birds in the loft for the last 3 races of our season.(The birds that homed have earned their perch in the loft for next season, they are finished now this season as they flew their hearts out)

This was the last Long race of the season and as it has happened we have moved into 3rd place in the General race result for, sprint/middle and long distance.  We cannot be champions as we are too far behind but we can win the bronze medal. We can however still be champions of sprint and the Bronze wing is up for grabs in the Middle distance.
This week we are at Sardoal 175 miles, it is not a great racepoint for us as it is on the West side of North Portugal and we are in the West of Southern Portugal and the winds are almost always strong West blowing the birds in to the East to the Guys who measure longer and their birds get a blow home while ours fight a crosswind.
That being said we have to be optmistic as the birds are in fine fettle and some of the yearlings are re entering the fray. "Let battle commence"

Interesting Kev, I must admit, since I have been here. I have enjoyed your post's in regard to the racing in your part of Portugal etc. In a kind way lol!lol!lol! I'm not an eye sign man. But !!!!!! differant strokes for differant folks & it all makes the world go round, as they say. Now !!!!!! 3 questions if I may (in for a penny in for a pound).
 1, Right hand side of your results etc, there are differant numbers beside the flyers "what does it mean" if I may ask.
2, You have mentioned that your loft is not at your place of residence etc I believe "how far do you have to travel, to the loft".
3, Eye sign Rolling EyesRolling EyesRolling Eyes The 2 birds clocked in your recent smash race, were they in any way, differant to what I would call your spinters etc. If so, could you please explain to a curious bloke like me.
Finally !!!  Next time your talking to your good friend Myron "ask him" lol!lol!lol! does he miss his old mate ??????  "Mr eyesign" Bob Fleming. cheers
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Hi Knackered, the number on the far right is from 100 down to however many birds classified, in this case 100 to 73. those are the points that each individual pigeon scored in the race and the first 2 birds fro each loft score the team points for any loft that clocks or classifies a bird or birds.
Our loft is 30 minutes drive from our residence but we have a race partner who lives nearby  due to moving lofts in September last year.

I had the care of some pigeons when the owner became very ill in 2010 at the end of the years racing. I looked after and raced his birds for 2 seasons, the 1st season under his name and the 2nd in my own name. The birds were mostly old distance breeds of Pol Bostyns and Pros Roosens and I could trace the family trees back to the early 1980s.
I was very interested in these pigeons as many had fantastic bodies and super Eyesign, and I photographed them all and sent the pics to Myron Kulik to evaluate which he did and he told me what he thought about the eyes.
It was uncanny how he picked out the best performers right away by just looking at pics and many of the birds had no race records but he said I should breed from them. I did and took the offspring with me as latebreds to the new loft where they raced great in the 1st season but they are for the future in the long races.
I had little to no experience of long distance racing but I clocked 7th bird into the Algarve from Dax international 630 miles with Andaluzia Spain in a smash race and heatwave (only 11 birds came home) in 2011 and in 2012 from Barcelona National I clocked the 3rd bird into Faro and finished 6th Zone 5 for birds flying over 600 miles and more again our advertised distance was 630 odd mies but in reality the bird flew close to 800 miles to clock in a heatwave just after 7am day 3 only 9 birds came home this far to the Algarve.
On both occasions I clocked the longest flying bird in the races, this was just before we moved to the new loft.
The concrete buildings where this loft was housed however were very old and dusty and impossible to change and my wife Joan began to develop a cough.
The fancier who was sick recovered enough to retake over his birds with a partner and we moved to Lagos some 35 or 40 km by road away and Jose and Carol our new partners have a middle distance team of birds.
The difference between the birds we clocked last week and the proper long distance family is that I would have clocked a few of the real LD birds we have in the stock loft now, on the day.
The birds we cobbled together were average Middle distance birds fed the correct way as I had predicted a smash race a full week earlier with few or any day birds. They Homed over the distance but they did not race but they got the job done and scored us 165 valuable team points to keep us in the ball game for an award in the General trophy or a mix of the Sprint Mid and Long distance and more importantly for them , earn a perch for next season. We classified 3 pigeons in this race and we actually got 6 home from 15.

Just for example,Myron made a couple for me and the cock had no race history at all but he had a single tubed Iris the hen was a tryer but not very fast " I called her the "Iron Grinder" due to her toughness she has a Super Breeder Eyesign "None better" and they bred the gold ring champion yearling in the club this year at their 1st try at stock and he was the silver wing champion in the Federation where he competed on an even keel with birds continually getting 10 mins advantage due to constant West winds.
The bird has had had 2 x1sts 1x5th and an 8th place in his only 4 races.  When I left the old lofts and handed back the birds to the owner I bought a few old birds off him for stock purposes, Myron advised me what to take but the Guy still has many other gems there.
The difference with the old families and the watered down speed birds is seen in the eye where you can see the birds brains.
A real long distance bird can win a short race in tough conditions but a speed bird will never win a 600 mile plus race in any conditions.
Myron had no axe to grind with Bob Fleming who was a good eyesign man too but Fleming had a problem with everybody who did not agree with him.
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:32 pm

interesting reading kev.........
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:04 pm

i will second that David

I will say that i have articals from the internet by Myron but i also have the book by Bob Fleming and it is very interesting what both say about this very interesting subject

And i think its everyone to there own but its what suits the individual and what they think works as everyone has different idears to eyesign

but for me its what i think is right for me but am always willing to learn different things and views from other fanciers

I will agree with the comment about Bob having issues with people not agreeing with him saw a few comments on a different site were Bob bet fanciers $1,000 that if he went to any loft he would be able to pick there best

That to me just shows the belief Bob has in his eyesign ability so fair play
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:04 pm

i will second that David

I will say that i have articals from the internet by Myron but i also have the book by Bob Fleming and it is very interesting what both say about this very interesting subject

And i think its everyone to there own but its what suits the individual and what they think works as everyone has different idears to eyesign

but for me its what i think is right for me but am always willing to learn different things and views from other fanciers

I will agree with the comment about Bob having issues with people not agreeing with him saw a few comments on a different site were Bob bet fanciers $1,000 that if he went to any loft he would be able to pick there best

That to me just shows the belief Bob has in his eyesign ability so fair play
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:48 pm

Bob Fleming used to resort to name calling and threats not just bets, I read many of the old posts years ago on the Commanche website where he did this and brought the Eyesign discussions into disrepute, it was a shame because he had a lot to offer the subject of eyesign instead he chose to deface it with his vulgar posts.
Myron too has great belief in his own methods and what he says has worked for me and many others, no question about that.
Bob Fleming was surely a great eyesign man but he left NO diagrams or pictures behind for anyone to carry on his work that  died with him years ago. And a lot of what he said can be interpreted different ways without proper diagrams to follow.

Myron came from Florida to stay with us in the Algarve for 10 days or so and while he and his wife Gloria were here we paired all of our stock birds up using his eyesign methods. They are all on young now so next season we will have 2 generations of birds bred using Eyesign as the tool. I did this small article on his visit and it has been published in the Racing Pigeon Digest in north America by the editor Gene Yoes.  http://algarvepigeonracing.webs.com/eyesign101algarvetrip.htm
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:03 pm

i think all eyesign enthusiasts interperate it in their own way, the thing that gets me is those in the pictorial who merely describe the eye giving absolutely no reason why they think the bird is good or bad......and it usually turns out they already know the pigeons racing or breeding history beforehand..........

i remember one of our members who sadly died a year or so back, he posted up on all the major pigeon forums he would pay £1000 to any eyesign man who could explain the logic of eyesign, and go to his loft and pick out the winners, none ever took him up on his offer.........No
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:15 pm

Hi David,Well Myron would have had somebody paid his airfare from the USA, Scientists have recently proven beyond any doubt that pigeons use the magnetic field to navigate and they are almost certain that the information they glean from this is processed within the eyes. Also pigeons use their left eye to keep tabs on the leaders movements within a flock of pigeons.
Each bird has its own hierarchy within a group and the birds instinctively seem to know which birds are the best navigators. Once again this is recent info from scientists. The GPS trackers that are being developed for pigeons in Scotland by Kevin Murphy at Angus college will hopefully soon give us even more info on our birds and their habits.
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:24 pm

interesting kev, but when you think its scientists who tell us global warming is real, when its a lie........it makes you wonder doessnt it.
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:31 pm

Global warming has nothing to do with pigeons ability to home, although it is true and it is happening. As the ice caps melt more sea is exposed to sunlight. Wheras before the Ice caps used to reflect the heat, now the exposed water evaporates and goes into the atmosphere, therefore more rain. It is unlucky for the UK that most of it seems to be falling there, lol.
As to what is causing Global warming who knows for sure but it is happening, you only have to look at the Columbia Icefields in Alberta Canada and the massive shrinkage of it to see that global warming is happening.
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:34 pm

yes a natural cycle is happening thats true, but 4 x 4`s and plastic carrier bags arnt causing it.........Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:51 pm

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Bob Fleming used to resort to name calling and threats not just bets, I read many of the old posts years ago on the Commanche website where he did this and brought the Eyesign discussions into disrepute, it was a shame because he had a lot to offer the subject of eyesign instead he chose to deface it with his vulgar posts.
Myron too has great belief in his own methods and what he says has worked for me and many others, no question about that.
Bob Fleming was surely a great eyesign man but he left NO diagrams or pictures behind for anyone to carry on his work that  died with him years ago. And a lot of what he said can be interpreted different ways without proper diagrams to follow.

Myron came from Florida to stay with us in the Algarve for 10 days or so and while he and his wife Gloria were here we paired all of our stock birds up using his eyesign methods. They are all on young now so next season we will have 2 generations of birds bred using Eyesign as the tool. I did this small article on his visit and it has been published in the Racing Pigeon Digest in north America by the editor Gene Yoes.  http://algarvepigeonracing.webs.com/eyesign101algarvetrip.htm


Great article and enjoyed it big time

Kev as you say it is a shame when things turn nasty because this does not need to happen but i understand what you say about Bob, and with the comments i read there were quite afew offencesive comments which were a little below the belt.

Which was not called for shame all the same
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:52 pm

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Bob Fleming used to resort to name calling and threats not just bets, I read many of the old posts years ago on the Commanche website where he did this and brought the Eyesign discussions into disrepute, it was a shame because he had a lot to offer the subject of eyesign instead he chose to deface it with his vulgar posts.
Myron too has great belief in his own methods and what he says has worked for me and many others, no question about that.
Bob Fleming was surely a great eyesign man but he left NO diagrams or pictures behind for anyone to carry on his work that  died with him years ago. And a lot of what he said can be interpreted different ways without proper diagrams to follow.

Myron came from Florida to stay with us in the Algarve for 10 days or so and while he and his wife Gloria were here we paired all of our stock birds up using his eyesign methods. They are all on young now so next season we will have 2 generations of birds bred using Eyesign as the tool. I did this small article on his visit and it has been published in the Racing Pigeon Digest in north America by the editor Gene Yoes.  http://algarvepigeonracing.webs.com/eyesign101algarvetrip.htm


Kev must say i do have Bob's book which i find a very interesting read mate with the diagrames and pictures
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:01 am

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interesting reading kev.........

Yes !!!!!! it was a truly interesting/good read. So thank's very much Kev for your quite lengthy reply to my queries. It does appear your able to lay your hands on birds for all distances etc, so you are in a most fortunate position I would have to say. The travelling which you have to do for your birds would be quite daunting to me. I'm just happy to roll down the hill (back yard) & grumble when I have to walk up it etc here. One thing I found with your mate Myron, was that he wasn't a grumpy old bastard like Fleming who would cut you of at the knees without blinking an eye if you didn't go along with his theory's. Years ago when it was war on the american site etc that they battled each other on I often thought to my self we should have a pigeon moot (I think that's you blokes call it) SmileSmile just to sort the eyesign subject out finally so to speak. It went like this, on the left "Mr eyesign" Bob Fleming & on the right "Myron" & just to keep things on an even keel lol!lol!lol!. Jack Barkel in the middle. I would have travelled half way round the world to see such a thing. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:33 am

one question i would like to know, if two eyesign men evaluated an eye, would they both come up with the same verdict ? would they both say the pigeon was a good one or would they have conflicting opinions by one saying its a champion and the other saying its a duffer.....?

if so who`s opinion do you go with .....?

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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:38 am

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one question i would like to know, if two eyesign men evaluated an eye, would they both come up with the same verdict ? would they both say the pigeon was a good one or would they have conflicting opinions by one saying its a champion and the other saying its a duffer.....?

if so who`s opinion do you go with .....?




lol!lol!lol! David, wish for a miracle etc, because that's the only way that could happen in my view. A fair comment is, we all look/study the eye etc that's just what we do with our birds. I could be wrong ??????  but I believe Bishop over there was one of the first to go down the eyesign track I know Fleming was one of his disciples etc (maybe that was his first mistake) I do know he made some
 outrageous statements in relation the the eyesign theory which did not help his fight so to speak. Two examples which I always remember that I could never quite get my head around. 1 - he could tell a pigeons eyesign potential when he rung them in the nest. 2 - he learnt the secret of eyesign when he was 10 years old. That was about the finish for me. Fleming lived on the same road in the same suburb at the same time as my wife when they were both young here. Her maiden name was also Fleming "but I never held that against her" Finaly !!! Fleming boasted of his flying record & it goes something like this 65 wins in 65 years "Make of it what you may". Now !!! for what I know/remember Myron never won a race on his own in his own back yard so to speak Jack Barkel for what I read, kept 500 pigeons. Why !!!!! if eyesign was the secret, I would suggest he should have been able to do what ever he did with 50 pigeons. Interesting comment thou, I read recently on another site. Dave Barkel (relation of Jack Barkel) said that he never worry's about eyesign in the race loft only in the stock loft. After all that above I'm knackered now so I had better finish up.cheers   
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:37 pm

can eyesign only be used to any advantage if you have studdied your own family of birds, and know what type of eye does well in certain races.....?

for example a weak /pale iris may only win on an easy, blow home day.......on a harder day it might go down, never to be seen again ???
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:04 pm

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interesting reading kev.........

Yes !!!!!! it was a truly interesting/good read. So thank's very much Kev for your quite lengthy reply to my queries. It does appear your able to lay your hands on birds for all distances etc, so you are in a most fortunate position I would have to say. The travelling which you have to do for your birds would be quite daunting to me. I'm just happy to roll down the hill (back yard) & grumble when I have to walk up it etc here. One thing I found with your mate Myron, was that he wasn't a grumpy old bastard like Fleming who would cut you of at the knees without blinking an eye if you didn't go along with his theory's. Years ago when it was war on the american site etc that they battled each other on I often thought to my self we should have a pigeon moot (I think that's you blokes call it) SmileSmile just to sort the eyesign subject out finally so to speak. It went like this, on the left "Mr eyesign" Bob Fleming & on the right "Myron" & just to keep things on an even keel lol!lol!lol!. Jack Barkel in the middle. I would have travelled half way round the world to see such a thing. cheers


I would also have liked to see that WinkWink
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PostSubject: Re: Odiaxere Result Zubillaga, Spain 495 miles ST.W headwinds and poss Rain   Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:15 am

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can eyesign only be used to any advantage if you have studdied your own family of birds, and know what type of eye does well in certain races.....?

for example a weak /pale iris may only win on an easy, blow home day.......on a harder day it might go down, never to be seen again ???

David, I would say the eyesign experts would say No, in my case I would say Yes, to the first part above etc.
Now !!!!!!!! Eye sign in part is no differant to the many other theories in pigeons whether it be wing/long/short, pearl/yellow/green eye etc. Feed !!, my mind boggles at all the differant mixes one can buy, keel long/short, the list one could say is endless in the sport of pigeons. Nature in the most part has the final say. Today we are better educated/smarter & surposed to have the knowledge to manage things etc far better than 50 odd years ago as an example. My view is something has gone wrong "Big Time" & not only in the sport of pigeons. I take all theories with a grain of salt so to speak & when certain people for their own reasons state them as a fact & cannot be disputed I just switch off I'm afraid, even if they believe they have the knowledge. If we all lived in the perfect world & eyesign was the answer, perhapes all the problems we all know would not exist. cheers
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