strange if you ask me

right,i have 2 blue uns paired up ok,they have been together for 3 years now and bred nothing but blues,anyway this time there is a red un and a blue un in the nest.we have checked it and 2 blues breed blues,has anyone had this happen before as i have,nt in all my years with pigeons....this pair have bred me birds to win so you never know might be something special...i hope

Ray don,t think you will get reds but you will get brown and khaki YBs could be wrong george

as far as i know ray, blue bars only breed blue bars,......they dont breed cheqs.........(JMO} is the yb a mealy or a cheq? are there reds in either of the parents famaily ?

it could be that a red in the loft had tread the hen.........???

again Ray not certain but i think the old strain of bricoux produced browns george

just need to alter what i said ray, ive a pair of janssen blue bars whoalways seem to breed a slatey every season, the rest are blue bars......

I do belive that blues breeding only blues is a myth, if you can breed a blue fron 2 chequers then that blue has chequered in the genetics and a red and a chequer can breed a blue so that blue has red and chequered in the genes, so those blues paired together will have more chequered than blue behind them so why shouldnt they breed other than blue? I have never bred a red from 2 blues but have bred chequers from them. Just like the myth about only red cocks have black splashes total rubish.

peel bros wrote:

right,i have 2 blue uns paired up ok,they have been together for 3 years now and bred nothing but blues,anyway this time there is a red un and a blue un in the nest.we have checked it and 2 blues breed blues,has anyone had this happen before as i have,nt in all my years with pigeons....this pair have bred me birds to win so you never know might be something special...i hope

ray could be more a mozake than a red unless a red has done the hen sean

we have had this before about a red with black splashes i have said and nothing has changed a red with any black will always be a cock george

i got a white cock off two blues saying this the cock bird had a few white slashes on his chest

ive had all sorts of colours of different coloured birds, some were obviously throw backs to ancesters.......but ive never had a chequer off two blue bars.........

you need to look at the actual colours and patterns present and how these genes react on each other


from all the material i have read on colour genetics this is what i have come up with

the two main base colours are red and blue these genes are on the sex chromosomes and red in dominant over blue
basically two blues cant breed a dominant red but that is a forum of recessive red


and there are 6 main pattern form and the order the are below is the order they run in dominance

T bar (most dominant)
dark Cheq
Cheq
Light cheq
bar
barless (least dominant )


so a T bar can possibly be carrying one gene for any of the other pattern forms and two t bars paired together carrying the same pattern gene can breed that pattern



and ray the only thing i think that the youngster is a recessive form of red which both parents must be carrying


hope this helps

so is a recessive red a brown? george

im not sure depends on what you mean by a brown. ?


have you got a pic

Here you are Ray, this may help mate.
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/huntleyloft/brown.html

so are they calling the mealy a brown bar in the website gary.........

gary could it also be known as a blood red do you remember some of the old strains did have brown birds george

i had a blood red cock george, it was a dark red but virtually all red, not chequered..........that was 25 years ago.

same here mine won many firsts in eye sign many under Bill Carney also i6 firsts THw george

i never get suprised with what come out each year ,
we had a gay pied out of 2 blue wf with not a lot of whites on them,

Ray i would say that this is a throw back have a look and see in the genenrations if there has been different colours paired together and see how this fits with the colour thrown

Or has the hen been with a different cock bird which colour is red?????

this year i got a cheq pied/wflt out of two cheqs....neither of the grandparents or g/grandparents had even a white flight, so defintely a throwback to something i would say........

David wrote:

i had a blood red cock george, it was a dark red but virtually all red, not chequered..........that was 25 years ago.

thats what a recessive red should look like

ah right cawdy, i know he bred a light cheq hen, but im pretty sure he also once bred like a yellowy mealy hen too..........not sure what the colours called, plus not 100% certain it this hen was off him, as i say it was 25 years ago.......

Yep i remember the blood red pigeons George, Barkers and Gits, they always threw them.
The terminology is American David.
Our Meuleman Van Den Bosche lines are forever throwing out surprises, chequers and blues throwing out pieds and chocolates.
It baffles me sometimes.
Usually like Don said go back in the generations of the pedigree and you will usually find the culprit.

I hate to argue with anyone about pigeons because it just isnt worth it..but rainbow I have seen a red hen with black splashes, so that means it insnt true about only cocks having them unless I am telling lies and I can asure you Im not and why would I.
And Im glad someone eles has bred colours other than blues from blues because I have and its not impossible, I once bred an all white pigeon like fantial white from 2 chequers with no white on them, how I dont know but I did.