this might sound daft but

her we go colleen my wife as started asking stuff about raceing yb and old birds and she asked me why do people breed as many y/b and i said as ppl breed extra for there loses and so on then she asked if we all
if say you breed 30 young birds how many doo you think would be left at the end of a young bird season ....
as ive told her i could lose them all in the first race but it depends on training ....
so what is everyone else thoughts

i think phil an average would be around a third for loses but your right you could have one bad race and loose the lot heaven forbid

your right phil, you only need a smash/bad race and all your team could be wiped out........hear regular fanciers loosing half their team inone bad race.

i only breed a small team last year lost 3 but the year before i couldent hold onto them
Ken

ian wrote:

i think phil an average would be around a third for loses but your right you could have one bad race and loose the lot heaven forbid

AGREE, i feel your most vulnerable when training as the whole batch is yours and if BOP decides to strike then the losses are all yours

have had this happen and witnessed a double pronged attacked on my youngsters (HEARTBREAKING BELIEVE ME).....advise to liberate in smaller groups reduce the risk odds

yea ive heard of lads with 100 yb and left with 6 at the end but im breeding 30 and hoping for a good first year ... and got told today to give it all me best with the yb and hopeful i will do well as not many fly yb in the club ... its mainly o/b as i been talking to the old flyer next door to me tonight

will you be putting the ybs on dark or keeping them natural phil.....?

cant understand phil why people dont fly there youngbirds this is part of there training and i think is a must to rac them as youngbirds all experience

well i was thinking of dark ive been down today working out the sliders and doing the perches and sorting the ground out to pop a sitting cabin up then i have two section then one on dark and other natural and was going to fly natural to 150miles or try for a push befor there dropping to bits

and already had the bops around and got one but i was in good hands today and now think we will be on bop missing

hi phil, ill be putting the ybs on dark this year, i havnt raced for years so its a new system to me but by what ive read/been told by our members its the best way to fly ybs if you want to win as naturals cannot compete against the darks (so ive been told)
my main problem at the moment is how im going to darken the yb section down, and make it so i can then lighten it during the day.....

the easiest way david is quite simple put wooden shutters on the outside which can be easily removed

well I can tell you down here in loverly pembrokeshire, you can loose 2/3 training, its that bad for perigrines. f####g loads of them ..There is a fancier only a few miles from me who breeds 200 ybs and sometimes more, he is a good fancier and wins lots. He ended up with 19 after racing this year.

only see hawks here, peregrines around ive been told havent seen any, but hawks everyday

yes same here steve but have have the odd perigrene falcon

would like to see 1 flying to get in my loft with me stood at side of door, a few have had them fly in door here my chair is at side of door it would have to fly through it to get inside

we have a few hawks as well ,going to let the birds out tomorrow but a bit wooried but nothing you can do about it

ian wrote:

the easiest way david is quite simple put wooden shutters on the outside which can be easily removed

cant ian, sliding doors......

do they slide inside are out side the loft

slide on outside ian...........

well put shutter on outside of door if you have mesh at top and shutter on inside of windows

need a closer look david

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dont forget ot minimise again ian.............

david u could try like me im just putting ply board over the windows and slideing them in and out or was thinking of putting boards on the windows and then just opening the door on the loft as day light in as i have aivry slideing doors
but was taking to old guy today and he said to try roundabout natural for the first year with yb

and he told me to try

what i have understood is:

Cocks in 1 section, hens in the other.
The hens are let out of their section to fly around home.
Whilst the hens are out the cocks are moved over to the hens section.
The hens trap back into the cocks section and are fed.
Whilst they are feeding the cocks are let out.
Whislt the cock are out , then hens are moved back to their section.
The cocks trap back to their section and are fed.

Before basketing both cocks and hens are mixed together in both sections.

thought of doing similar phil, so when the door is open that gives the daylight.....only problem with doing this for me is that there is a lot of cats round my house and they would be alwayds looking into the loft and scaring the birds.......

i would have a word with ken about the system the old bloe told you about because as far as i can remember he does something very similar.........i do know ray also flys roundabout but i dont know his methods, but you could also ask him too.....