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steve1952 Youngbird
Posts : 2459 Join date : 2009-12-01 Age : 71 Location : Newport isle of wight
| Subject: scherlaeckens 2 Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:20 pm | |
| Right and wrong
Right and wrong
I did not trust the condition of my birds and went to the vet. "There is nothing wrong, they just lack condition, and medicate birds that are not sick does not make sense, just have some patience’ he said.
Only two weeks later it turned out he was right.
The weather changed, the condition improved and they performed.
When I told a fellow sportsman what happened he said:
‘I do not take chances. The first day of the week I medicate against canker, the first day of the following week against respiratory problems, the week after against coccidioses and then this procedure is repeated.
Thus I save money that you spend on a vet. Furthermore chances are small that my birds are not in good shape.’
I totally disagreed with him. I rather give my money to a vet than medicate birds against I do not know which disease, if any.
The point is that if birds are not in good shape this does not necessarily mean they are sick. Medication is meant to cure sicknesses and not to create condition.
FORM I did not trust the condition because they were not lively and did not storm out of the loft to train.
Long way back in such cases I fooled myself by thinking ‘they do not train since they want to defend their nest boxes.’ I now know better.
Spontaneous loft training is the best gauge for condition.
Fish must swim to taste well.
Pigeons must train of their own free will to perform.
But that is not it.
This bird (99-605) was a super breeder and is in super shape. Still it stopped filling its eggs when only 5 years old. In pigeon sport one never knows.
WRONG
- Pigeons in good form have powder on their feathers.
- They are eager to take a bath, though this also depends on the weather.
- In the morning their droppings should not be spread in the nest box.
- They seem smaller and their eyes are shining.
- The underside of the toes is clean (very important!), there should not even be shit on the bands.
- Pigeons in form do not stand on one leg. - And, as I said, the way they train is a very good gauge.
If you open the loft they must get out. If some birds stay inside you have reason to worry.
And after you have let them out and you turn round you should not see them any more, they must not have made one round but have gone in one straight line.
Babies in shape sit ready with outstretched necks to storm out with a deafening noise when you let them free and after a few seconds you must not see them. None of them should stay in the loft either.
NO FEED My pigeons seem to be ‘Adeno proof’.
None of them have been affected for about 15 years.
For others Adeno (‘young bird disease’) is a real nightmare, since they face this problem year after year. In case of an infection DO NOT FEED THEM for 2 or 3 days.
It will help them to recover.
Of course they should always have access to water. Some take the drinker from the loft so that they should drink less. That is a big mistake.
The pigeons literally dry out resulting in death.
LOSSES
Babies should be given freedom at the same time, preferably in the afternoon till they are about 3 months old.
If you normally let them out later in the day and then, one day, early morning you ask for losses.
I remember what once happened to Jos Klak.
Due to the nice weather his manager wanted to go to the beach with wife and children, he found that pigeons should train daily and he let them out at sunrise.
The weather was bright that day which even made it worse.
If you get or buy a baby that is too old to release or if you want to remove an old bird to your loft let it loose late in the evening, preferably in rainy weather with other birds.
Chances are greater the birds will stay.
It happens that every now and then a bird is missing and comes back later to fly away again for one or more days.
Probably it has found a partner somewhere else and you may finally lose it forever.
You should give it a partner and again only release it late in the day in bad weather.
A BATH Pigeons regularly need a bath, but never let them bathe in the evening.
They will get into the night still being wet since they do not move in the dark and that is a direct atttack on the form. For some reason they do not feel like taking a bath in warm sunny weather like we humans do, but prefer to have a dive in rainy weather. Some fanciers massage the birds in lukewarm bath after a hard race.
It will not hurt but it is a waste. They will not put the feathers up so the water is not where it should be, on the skin. Special bath salt is a waste as well.
Some salt and vinegar in the water is just as effective and cheaper.
CHECK If you go to a vet with droppings put these droppings in a plastic packaging, not a newspaper, which dries out. And better take droppings of several days. It is possible that that on one particular day no worm eggs or coccidia are separated which will put the vet on the wrong track. Take a sample of several days of several pigeons. Coccidioses can heal spontaneously when your birds rest in a dry loft.
NOT SMART What some do when they import pigeons is mating them amongst each other 'in order to keep them pure’. Incorrect! Then you mate ‘unknown’ with ‘unknown’. Better mate them with your own best birds. Then you only have one ‘question mark’ and it is a faster way to find out what the import is worth. If it is a cock mate it with several hens. It is the fastest way to find out how good or bad it is. scherlaeckens 2 |
| | | Lightning Hatchling
Posts : 945 Join date : 2009-10-02 Age : 50 Location : Hungerford
| Subject: Re: scherlaeckens 2 Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:23 pm | |
| thats a good read Steve, patience is a virtue as they say
"NATURAL FORM/CONDITION" we have had it once in 1998 when racing with my Dad, we just could do no wrong think we ended with 5 x 1st in one federation and 2 x 1st in other federation and numerous club wins. Race we had sent 6 widowhood cocks and we had 3 x yearlings come straight from the South screaming to end up 1st, 2nd, 3rd Club and 1st, 2nd, 3rd Federation, we waited a full 2 minutes when our 4th bird dropped who was our nominated bird so we pick him and timed.....result 4th club, 4th Federation
We tried exactly the same system, same corn, same birds in 1999 and although still did their fair share was nothing compared to 1998....Natural Form (no answers how, why or what we did that year??) |
| | | peel bros Oldbird
Posts : 13064 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 59 Location : south shields
| Subject: Re: scherlaeckens 2 Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:27 pm | |
| thats pigeons for you,sometimes we cannot work them out can we,thats what makes it more interesting |
| | | IANYOUNG Oldbird
Posts : 11428 Join date : 2009-03-30 Age : 60 Location : south shields
| Subject: Re: scherlaeckens 2 Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:24 pm | |
| one big ???? wish we knew all about them |
| | | David Oldbird
Posts : 43266 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: scherlaeckens 2 Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:04 pm | |
| was reading the other day that this fancier always changes his pairings every year, he said he did this because even tho you can breed 6 ybs one year from a certain pair that all win/score........the next year you can breed the same two birds and all 6 ybs wont do a thing, also read that bert braspenning does the same thing with his birds....... |
| | | Rudderfett Youngbird
Posts : 2152 Join date : 2009-09-27 Age : 55 Location : pembrokeshire
| Subject: Re: scherlaeckens 2 Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:20 pm | |
| Yes david I have read lots of things about changing pairings and it does seem that all the top belgian fanciers always change them every year regardless if they have bred winners or not....starange. |
| | | David Oldbird
Posts : 43266 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: scherlaeckens 2 Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:25 pm | |
| yes i thought it strange at first, but if its right what they say it might have a better % of breeding winners, rather than breeding off the same pairings every year..... cant remeber why they did it but will have a read through again and see what they said...... |
| | | Rudderfett Youngbird
Posts : 2152 Join date : 2009-09-27 Age : 55 Location : pembrokeshire
| Subject: Re: scherlaeckens 2 Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:28 pm | |
| I think its because they belive that birds never breed the same quality youngsters every year, sometimes they breed good ones the next year they will be poor, or even better but not the same. Those top boys dont take chances they just keep swaping around, looking for that special one. I have changed all but 2 of my pairs this year because I read this, so we will see david. |
| | | David Oldbird
Posts : 43266 Join date : 2009-03-18 Location : Leeds
| Subject: Re: scherlaeckens 2 Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:31 pm | |
| yes martyn, i think i will do it too regardless of how this years ybs do........... also read that yearlings/young pigeons produce better ybs which are more capable of doing well than older birds..... |
| | | Don Webb Oldbird
Posts : 14926 Join date : 2009-03-27 Age : 51 Location : Tipton
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