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PostSubject: money up front   Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:15 pm

hi lads terryp here just wondering if anybody has heard about this one one of the lads i help with his pigeons came to the garden last night and said that the club he is in whants you to tell the club how many birds you will be sending . i take it he ment next season and you have to put your money up front for all race points for the whole season because the transporter isnt covering the deisel costs any body else in the same boat cheers for now terryp....
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PostSubject: Re: money up front   Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:47 pm

sounds a strange going on terry, who can say what birds they will be sending next season, how do we know what birds will or wont be lost due to training or racing each week.....also does the cost of diesel reflect on how many pigeons are sent ? i would have thought the cost was the same regardless of the birdage.......scratch 
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PostSubject: Re: money up front   Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:01 pm

No its Bollox
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PostSubject: Re: money up front   Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:08 pm

they cant demand anyone pays up front till the agm as they dont know who or what clubs may join or leave its not a rule so therefore cannot be implimented tell um as steve says to go bollucks
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PostSubject: Re: money up front   Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:16 pm

i know the Aberdeen pay a set fee and that covers their birdage  so its the same if you send 1 or a 100 its all built in but this was all done at  an AGM  i only ever heard  of forcasting your channel birds but thats the week before race and no payments up front sounds like some one talking crap  sean
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PostSubject: Re: money up front   Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:28 pm

I have herd of one club charging a minemume of 5 birds per race at the start of the season for all races, so if when you are raceing you have got 5 birds free if you dont send you lose that money I think it was bourght in to cover the cost of the transporter you could still send as many bird as you liked but allways had your 5 free. I supose it was a way of makeing shore they all ways had that amount which helps to cover cost
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PostSubject: Re: money up front   Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:22 pm

That is just crap never had that in any clubs within this area

How can someone ask for money for pigeons that are not being raced
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PostSubject: Re: money up front   Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:25 am

Ginger wrote:
I have herd of one club charging a minemume of 5 birds per race at the start of the season for all races, so if when you are raceing you have got 5 birds free if you dont send you lose that money I think it was bourght in to cover the cost of the transporter you could still send as many bird as you liked but allways had your 5 free. I supose it was a way of makeing shore they all ways had that amount which helps to cover cost

Ginger, these type of up front fees & there are many variations etc are a sign of the times unfortunately, at least down in my area. Empty trucks or near empty trucks going to the longer type races do not cover there costs. Not the way most would like it, but it is a dying sport as we all know, so this is one avenue to at least break even at the end of the day type of thing "Hopefully". All fed's in my area (5) operate on this principle to varing degree's & most flyers accept this type of up front fee & are just thankful that  they are still racing pigeons. One example Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes  & I understand local conditions dictate what the costs may have to be etc. But my old Fed now has a $200 up front fee which allows someone to send 40 birds per week for 6 weeks, then 30 birds per week for 14 weeks etc if they have the birds. "Most don't" Smile Smile a $5 cartage fee for the local transport from those flyers flying each race as they go on another Fed's truck with seperate liberations until they get to the longer races "350 miles" when another Fed also uses the same truck for a mass liberation type of thing. Now !! each week who ever flys & it does not matter what birds the send, have to pay a dollar a bird etc over & above the above costs. The system on the whole works quite well down here, but it's the same old story so to speak, that one can spend as little or as much as one wishes but for any Fed to survive etc they have to adapt to the times & also cover there running costs. Another thing is with this system here, prize money is the same in the Fed from the first to the last race etc $700 the last time I looked, but that can vary each year depending on how many flyers pay their up front fee etc. cheers 
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PostSubject: Re: money up front   Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:50 am

Don its like knac said its the siyne of the times, Feds/Clubs cant survive on say 200 birds going as that wouldnt pay the fuel never mind driver and I think the way that works at least you have some birds in the race you can send more but you have to pay for them if their is room through man gread for money this what is going to stop every thing money is the root of eval
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PostSubject: Re: money up front   Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:28 am

Ginger you are right mate once money is involved its all downwards then
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PostSubject: Re: money up front   Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:42 am

to many mickey mouse feds at same race points why dont they join up

reason is they dont want there little corner messing up little fish in a big pond

look at some results 200 birds in a fed is a joke but people sell birds on the back of

results like that you only have to look in the bhw to see several feds from the same area are at the same race point its silly carrying on like that
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PostSubject: Re: money up front   Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:11 pm

i know the welsh that is south wales have a system somthing like this, they are allowed to send so many birds per member at one price, the rest they send at another price , if they do not send there birds to a race or not, then they still have to pay for the first amount of birds, this way the funds are gauranteed for the transporter, wether it is full or not ? hope this is not confusing maybe a welsh member can make it more clearer.cheers 
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PostSubject: Re: money up front   Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:39 pm

birdy2011 wrote:
to many mickey mouse feds at same race points why dont they  join up

reason is they dont want there little corner messing up little fish in a big pond

look at some results 200  birds in a fed is a joke but people sell birds on the back of

results like that  you only have to look in the bhw to see several feds from the same area are at the same race point its  silly carrying on like that
Your spot on G 1,000,000% mate to mush of this going on
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PostSubject: Re: money up front   Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:17 pm

edgie wrote:
i know the welsh that is south wales have a system somthing like this, they are allowed to send so many birds per member at one price, the rest they send at another price , if they do not send there birds to a race or not, then they still have to pay for the first amount of birds, this way the funds are gauranteed for the transporter, wether it is full or not ? hope this is not confusing maybe a welsh member can make it more clearer.cheers 
Edgie !!!!!!, even I Smile Smile get the drift of what your saying etc. At the end of the day all Feds need to be run on business type level. Money coming in has to cover money going out. If not !!!!!! they are on a slipperly slide to no where "unfortunately". How they achieve that objective can have many variations etc. Empty trucks achieve nothing "History tells us that" Pigeon politics, needs a good foot up the a**e in many cases for what I have seen. Co-operation by combining transport cost's together, is one way of achieving that  objective of what this sport should be about. Racing & enjoying pigeons etc. cheers
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