training youngbirds

how far do people go on first training toss with youngsters i go about 15 mile

Hi Ian, When i start training im affraid im a bit of a whimp and might just start at 5 miles......amanda

I start at 5 miles 10 miles 20 miles 40 miles-50 miles - 100 mile
I dont exeed 100 miles Useally from there 3 to 4 times, they could take on any distance.

couldnt afford to take them 100mile tosses cost a fortune in diesel and too much time i stick at 30 mile

do you take them ian or is it club training

got to take them myself i think this is the reason why they wont trap theres nobody there when they get back from training toss

yeah, could be....are we talking about ybs or obs tho ian? i thought you had stopped training w/hood to see how they go....

remember when i told you about my friends bird not trapping from the race, during training they would all arrive more or less togeather and go in like bullets through the trap as this is the first year on ets, but on race days because they came on their own they were reluctant to trap

both ive only just stopped training widowhood cocks

do you think when training it would be better to single them up

i think it would get them used to landing and coming in on their own ian, but like you have said, because you take them yourself there is no one there to get them in when they get home so im not sure to be honest.....

Hi everybody
Thanks again for your help my birds picked up very fast still on that antibiotic (Ornithosis cure) from Pharma magic
Sorry guys I am not a racing man but I train them as if I will race them I have all white racers I fly them twice a day and they nicely kited together but they don't go racking do I need to force them to fly longer they yaps 09 but got about 7 of them 08 I want to take them for the first toss but worried as I didn't see them fly for long enough

If members can give there views or technique of flying
many thanks
MO

hi mo glad your birds are picking up and showing improvement... if you have any 09 ybs as long as they are settled just let them out on their own, if you have older birds with them i dont think they will go off ranging as the obs will hold them back. if your birds are still on eggs or feeding they wont fly for too long anyway as they will want to get back in the loft....
the 08 birds will be safe to train but you want the ybs to be flying well round home and going off on their own ranging before they should be trained.....
good luck with them mo...

i tend to flag mine until they do 45 mins to an hour before long they get used to it and do it without flags

Thank you
I will try this I used to use these flag years ago but wasn't sure if this old fashion now I will lock the 08 back and see

Iany

You said that you have no one to get your birds in have you tried training around the loft for 40 mins and then put them in the basket straight away, then leave them in the loft as you get there feed, let the birds see you placing food in there boxes take them for there training toss they will not mess about

1, They are hungry 2, they know there feed is in there box

the only set back is if you trap to open door when you get back it will be difficult to get the cocks in the loft as full crop means mess about

The same goes for young birds get them in a routine and to get them to trap same as the old birds

Training would start when they are ranging well and flying for over an hour
i would start them from 5 miles then stay at 5 miles but toss the birds from different areas so the young birds have to use there brains, move them a few extra miles a time doing the same from diffrent directions until you have reach 30/35 miles then put them on a line of flight and keep them there till the birds are making good time and are confident

From then on always try and make your pigeons use there brains and not follow the leader, to acheive this and if you have the time put the birds up in batches of 2 or 3 (once you are happy they are coming home as a team) they race home better and use there brain better, but tossing the birds in sets of 2 or 3 you must have someone at the loft waiting.

Thanks Ian David
I used the flag and hold the 08 back today and they started ranging half hour fly
My hands is killing me now

thats great mo, im sure the more the 09s are let to fly in a group...the more they will go ranging, it wont be long before they are doing an hour....

keep us up to date mo....

Hi Mo

It starts with young birds get them out shut all doors leave the flags flying and when time is up flags down door open then call birds in, if you continue this as old birds the same routine the pigeons will get used to it.

Flags out fly
Flags down in the loft for a feed

my 08s were flying great as ybs don, and even before they were paired up they were too, but as soon as i paired them and got them on eggs they have never been the same.....

No worries David as soon as you part them then they will change there ways or you will change it for them

a lot of people in our club paired there widowhood cocks up for the national guess what happened ( they went flat ) i learned a fews years back never do it again you learn by your mistakes

If you pair the widowhood cock up you are stopping what they are flying home for that little bit of fun with the hen and again the following week, but once you pair them up you stop then from doing what they have been set up to do in racing

did you pair the widowhood cocks up ian, like you said you were going to for the last couple of races ? did you notice any change in behavour, did you send them driving( if you paired up again ?)

yes david paired up some are sitting already see if theres any difference with them tomorrow