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PostSubject: Natural supplements and remedies   Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:18 pm

What natural supplements/remedies do fanciers use, and what are their benefits.
I use Garlic, and the unsalted veg water when the missus cooks a roast for a bit of iron, also potassium pananganate (condis crystals) on return from a race to to cleanse them.

Ive seen some posts saying people use honey, presumably for an energy boost.
And also Lemon juice but ive no idea what for.

Come on let us know your secrets. cyclops
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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:24 pm

oregano (ropa b) to flush the birds out and day after a probiotic also use a iron,iodine and b12 supplement (impact) iodine stimulates the thyroid and is important for any living creature ,also a mineral supplement with dried carrot ,seaweed also contains selenium which boosts the immune system Smile

lemon would kill bacteria and of course a added bonus of the vit c
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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:28 pm

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oregano (ropa b) to flush the birds out and day after a probiotic also use a iron,iodine and b12 supplement (impact) iodine stimulates the thyroid and is important for any living creature ,also a mineral supplement with dried carrot ,seaweed also contains selenium which boosts the immune system Smile

Darren told me these products when my pigeons were ill a while ago, I mistakenly treated them blind with anything I could get my hands on and probably made them worse............but since ive been using the ropa b, impact and probiotics my birds are back to full health and looking better than they ever have done......

thanks again Darren.
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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:35 pm

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oregano (ropa b) to flush the birds out and day after a probiotic also use a iron,iodine and b12 supplement (impact) iodine stimulates the thyroid and is important for any living creature ,also a mineral supplement with dried carrot ,seaweed also contains selenium which boosts the immune system Smile

Darren told me these products when my pigeons were ill a while ago, I mistakenly treated them blind with anything I could get my hands on and probably made them worse............but since ive been using the ropa b, impact and probiotics my birds are back to full health and looking better than they ever have done......

thanks again Darren.

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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:39 pm

brewers yeast with lemon juice on corn stud the test of time

grated carrot water cress they hold water and good to give y/b afternoon before basketing

best one is marmite not one pigeon product will provide more than marmite has in it

all cost pennies
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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:37 pm

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brewers yeast with lemon juice on corn stud the test of time

grated carrot water cress they hold water and good to give y/b afternoon before basketing

best one is marmite not one pigeon product will provide more than marmite has in it

all cost pennies


NO NO NO !!! lol! lol! lol! what are you trying to do G Smile Smile here. Send all those shark's Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes out there with their magic potions broke etc. Now !! Wink Wink you forgot the Bi carb soda & cinnamon, if I may be so bold. Now !!! maybe not for the pigeons  bounce  bounce but I just love banana sugar & cinnamon on toast & you can all see what it has done for me  Wink  Wink.  cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:15 am

Sma baby food for nought to one is very good for rearing on and racing everything you need
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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:16 am

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Sma baby food for nought to one is very good for rearing on and racing everything you need

No good Mark lol! lol! lol!  Wink  Wink hasn't got a pigeon on it's label etc. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:26 pm

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Sma baby food for nought to one is very good for rearing on and racing everything you need

No good Mark lol! lol! lol!  Wink  Wink hasn't got a pigeon on it's label etc. cheers

I agree that their are a lot of supplements out their whereby the price is hiked up due to a pigeon on the label and a lot of supplements don't work ...however their are some that are very good and the use of natural supplements can cut down on medications its finding the right ones to use ...as for marmite and baby milk powder I have no doubt they could be of good use for the birds but nobodys stating a dosage and how they have come about that dosage ....if we all go to the kitchen cupboards and start using a spoon of this and a spoon of that without knowing what dosages are safe we could well be doing more harm than good.lets take vitamin a,d,e for example they can be very dangerous to birds in high doses as to can iodine and a lot of other things the list is endless really ,so lads what are the doses you use and where did you get the advise on these dosages .lets take marmite and its salt content which is very high you only have to taste it and then you give another form of salt/sodium are we giving too much salt ? I am not criticising I find the topic very interesting but just wonder where some of these remedies and doses come from
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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:54 pm

for the lemon juice and brewers yeast i used half a lemon squeezed over approx 2lb of light feed barley etc then one large spoon of the natural brewers yeast mixed in ive used this since i first ever see the great man frank tasker use it our y/b once flying strong get this mix each morning

the marmite i got from my dad who years ago trained greyhounds at nottingham white city dogs the amount he tolod me to use was 1 large spoon to 1 gallom of water

i can always remember when i had a dog we gave him one tee spoon on his food 2 times per week ive never seen dogs coats shine so bright


both are the same with pigeons they do make the feathers gleam as for any thing eles i cant say if they do much more what i can say is ive seen no side effects from either

as for pigeon products the only real other one ive noticed do what the marmite and brewers yeast do is a product called provit it comes in a bag and is a pink colour very cheep and it dose what it says on the packet ile put the link up

http://www.pigeons.co.uk/stock-nutrition/stock-nutrition-provit.html



ask yaself this do you treat blind or to much

ide have a safe bet now no one on here who has a dog treats it got anything mot even worms
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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:05 pm

yeah provit is good stuff and I rate it as for blind treating its a big yes far too many are blind treating ...I sent a droppings test off last week it came back clear and I have done this the last 2 seasons now but prior to this I would have treated for the main 3 cocci,canker,worms and a lot do this and give a antibiotic mainly for salmonella ...a lot of blind treating going on but the thing is a droppings test is £15 and a damn sight cheaper than blind treating lol I have no doubt the supplements I am using are partly the reason for good test results ...thanks for yer reply g
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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:04 pm

I remember when I was a boy any pigeon that came home from a long time away was given condis crystals strong in water in a galley pot, and its head stuck in it for about 5 seconds, so that it spluttered and sneezed, and it got into every orafice to give it a good cleanse.

Also as an old canker treatment mix up flour of sulphur and cod liver oil into a ball and drop it into the pigeons throat.

Any bird that gets the snots or a mucosy throat gets a bit of dry flour of sulphur in powder form put on a tea spoon and boshed down their throat,  don't let them drink for about five minutes so that it coates everything, they will sneeze a bit. I do this for about 3 or 4 days, I've treated 2 youngens in this way this season and they are fine now.

I believe Brewers has something called Riboflavin in it, which a pigeon needs but isn't always in their diet.
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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:28 pm

birdy2011 wrote:
brewers yeast with lemon juice on corn stud the test of time

grated carrot water cress they hold water and good to give y/b afternoon before basketing

best one is marmite not one pigeon product will provide more than marmite has in it

all cost pennies

G I will agree with the Brewers yeast and lemon never used marmite
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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:30 pm

Boosey wrote:
What natural supplements/remedies do fanciers use, and what are their benefits.
I use Garlic, and the unsalted veg water when the missus cooks a roast for a bit of iron, also potassium pananganate (condis crystals) on return from a race to to cleanse them.

Ive seen some posts saying people use honey, presumably for an energy boost.
And also Lemon juice but ive no idea what for.

Come on let us know your secrets. cyclops

Always gave the birds Honey and Lemon after a race it's just like electrolytes but a lot cheaper

The birds recover better from a hard race as this helps replace the low sugar levels
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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:43 pm

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birdy2011 wrote:
brewers yeast with lemon juice on corn stud the test of time

grated carrot water cress they hold water and good to give y/b afternoon before basketing

best one is marmite not one pigeon product will provide more than marmite has in it

all cost pennies

G I will agree with the Brewers yeast and lemon never used marmite

ide say the old aviform was a form of marmite don its changed a lot since
but ive yet to see anything as good as marmite for getting a shaine on ya birds and feather softness same with dogs if you have a dog try one tee spoon per day on its food it will be gleaming in 10 days

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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:53 pm

I will make a note of that cheers G
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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:06 pm

apple cider vinegar
ats maa lot. Question 7days a week.
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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:32 pm

birdy2011 wrote:
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birdy2011 wrote:
brewers yeast with lemon juice on corn stud the test of time

grated carrot water cress they hold water and good to give y/b afternoon before basketing

best one is marmite not one pigeon product will provide more than marmite has in it

all cost pennies

G I will agree with the Brewers yeast and lemon never used marmite

ide say the old aviform was a form of marmite don its changed a lot since
but ive yet to see anything as good as marmite for getting a shaine on ya birds and feather softness same with dogs if you have a dog try one tee spoon per day on its food it will be gleaming in 10 days



Some improvement with the new avartar G Smile Smile etc. Sadly though I'm having trouble with my neck here trying to follow your penguin with his antics lol! lol! lol! bounce bounce. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:40 pm

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apple cider vinegar
ats maa lot. Question 7days a week.

7 days Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes SQ Smile Smile Not much room left for all the other tonic's  bounce  bounce I'm  affraid if that is the case. Food or water "Which etc" Wink Wink. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:45 pm

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Available mixes local.
http://www.heritageacresnutrition.com/productsDetails.php?Product-List-5

Plenty of choice their Hal Smile Smile to choose from. Interesting Wink Wink to see Spirilina on the list. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:05 pm

no other tonic;s
just the one ACV.
bounce bounce bounce bounce
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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:40 pm

that spirilina looks a interesting supplement ...do you use it hal
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PostSubject: Re: Natural supplements and remedies   Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:10 pm

Don't no if anyone has tryed this before Diatomaceous earth (multi mite) powder kills all mites lice tics moths all natural product can't overdose on it for all animals fact sheet at www.oak tree poultry.co.UK going to use this this season
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