Training points

I train my birds from what I think is the line of flight for racers coming into my area, based on prevailing wind and high ground.

These training points are not directly south or completely in line with the race points which vary from East to West obviously.

Any thoughts anyone ?

ive heard of fanciers training either side of the line of flight.......maybe someone can help more.

dont think it makes any differance whitch side of the line of flight you take pigeons flock together one won't brake from 50 or 100 others and come on his own birds that do simply get in front in a small group and are quicker and pull away when they reach the home end it looks like it came on its own but their is always a few on the same time

I agree with mark on this one

oldstrain wrote:

I agree with mark on this one

To a point so do I O/S but then club/fed/combine/national & international type races throw up differant scenarios I suspect & one can only do what one suspects is the correct thing in their individual case/situation with their birds I believe.

Line of flight for us.we want the quickest way home

We use the same 12,mile spot which is bang on the line of flight for us.

markevans wrote:

dont think it makes any differance whitch side of the line of flight you take pigeons flock together one won't brake from 50 or 100 others and come on his own birds that do simply get in front in a small group and are quicker and pull away when they reach the home end it looks like it came on its own but their is always a few on the same time

Sorry Mark, I don't agree with you on this one.

Ask Geoff Cooper of Bath about birds breaking away from the other pigeons. Somehow Geoff got his bids to break very early after liberation, in order to get his birds to fly a more 'Direct route' from places quite far down France. He did not want his birds to be taken a long way up the French coast line, then cross the water heading for the London area. He needed to get his birds to Break Away from the flock and head directly for his loft in Bath - South West England even with a Westerly wind.

As I have said before - there are ONLY two types of pigeons - Leaders and followers and we need to get our birds to be LEADERS. In this way they will:-

1. Find their OWN way home and not follow the bunch.

2. Not be influenced by other birds - because they are out in front and not looking backwards.

I am sure there will be lots of people that will disagree with me, but that doesn't mean I am wrong. I know what I say is true, because I have proven it time and time again with my own birds and other fanciers pigeons.

Let's keep talking.

Phil

caramel wrote:

I train my birds from what I think is the line of flight for racers coming into my area, based on prevailing wind and high ground.

These training points are not directly south or completely in line with the race points which vary from East to West obviously.

Any thoughts anyone ?

What you could do, is to draw a direct line from liberation point, to you loft. Then if you know the way the birds you are racing against, normally fly, draw out another line. Then take into consideration, the prevailing wind direction and put that into the equation. Do your birds need to break away from the pack somewhere along the route, or just be in front, to enable you to win?

If your birds need to break from the route the others will fly, then you need to train your birds from the area where they need to Break!

I hope this helps

Phil (blueskylofts)

ive heard something similar to that phil/bluesky....draw a line from where you want them to break and train from there.....never tried it but  one year I only trained ybs from 12 - 15 miles every day, and they came pretty good in racing.

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markevans wrote:

dont think it makes any differance whitch side of the line of flight you take pigeons flock together one won't brake from 50 or 100 others and come on his own birds that do simply get in front in a small group and are quicker and pull away when they reach the home end it looks like it came on its own but their is always a few



Sorry Mark, I don't agree with you on this one.

Ask Geoff Cooper of Bath about birds breaking away from the other pigeons.  Somehow Geoff got his bids to break very early after liberation, in order to get his birds to fly a more 'Direct route' from places quite far down France.  He did not want his birds to be taken a long way up the French coast line, then cross the water heading for the London area.  He needed to get his birds to Break Away from the flock and head directly for his loft in Bath - South West England even with a Westerly wind.

As I have said before - there are ONLY two types of pigeons - Leaders and followers and we need to get our birds to be LEADERS.  In this way they will:-

1.  Find their OWN way home and not follow the bunch.

2. Not be influenced by other birds - because they are out in front and not looking backwards.

I am sure there will be lots of people that will disagree with me, but that doesn't mean I am wrong.  I know what I say is true, because I have proven it time and time again with my own birds and other fanciers pigeons.

Let's keep talking.

Phil

I agree with this

we do train on the line of flight but how often do the birds arrive on it of course you have to train on a line but once they been their a few times I think you could train from any-point for fitness ...some guys at our club send birds north and south racing atb

strange isn't it, I try to train on the line of flight, but most times they come the opposite direction from the back of the loft.......

markevans wrote:

dont think it makes any differance whitch side of the line of flight you take pigeons flock together one won't brake from 50 or 100 others and come on his own birds that do simply get in front in a small group and are quicker and pull away when they reach the home end it looks like it came on its own but their is always a few on the same time

agree mark where there is one there is another

a lad who used to be in our club could only train from the n/east of his loft due to work commitments did not stop him being top flyer

David wrote:

strange isn't it, I try to train on the line of flight, but most times they come the opposite direction from the back of the loft.......

OK - this is a very good point.

Ask yourself WHY - do they come from a direction you didn't expect them to come from?

1. Are they being 'Dragged' by other birds?

2. Is the wind taking then off course?

Why not try training them from a bit further away on the line you think they should come from. Get them to recognise where they are, earlier and therefore get them to take a better (more direct) route.

Phil

thinking about this when you say the line of flight and train from 20 miles or less or more the birds get to no the quickest way home but when the race programe moves down the country and to the east or west the birds get a differant line so does it realy matter were you train from but i will still train the birds to the easyest point for me to get to

markevans wrote:

thinking about this when you say the line of flight and train from 20 miles or less or more the birds get to no the quickest way home but when the race programe moves down the country and to the east or west the birds get a differant line so does it realy matter were you train from but i will still train the birds to the easyest point for me to get to

Fair play Mark  "easiest point etc" I do the exact same thing here & I know good pigeons will find the best/quickest way home, no matter where one may toss them.

Some good answers there but I think races are won from liberation points any way so does it really matter.I suppose we train light of flight cause it's easier for is. Plus when we train in our car we go about 20 odd miles in the hope they recognise that area so well they might put that extra bit of speed effort whatever into it.I don't really know but we all do it differently hoping we do it the best way

peel bros wrote:

Some good answers there but I think races are won from liberation points any way so does it really matter.I suppose we train light of flight cause it's easier for is. Plus when we train in our car we go about 20 odd miles in the hope they recognise that area so well they might put that extra bit of speed effort whatever into it.I don't really know but we all do it differently hoping we do it the best way

No issues from my point of view Ray it's a man thing how & what we do etc. Take your situation as an example & compare it to some one like John Rumney etc who lives in your general area, but attacks the tossing issue in a far differant way to you & your brother there, because he has set his sites on a differant style of racing for what I know. At the end of the day both ways can lead to success & that just tells me, one must do what one's thinks is best for themselves, at any given time.

Totally agree with that.it's what suits

Dont agree with all this but you train what suits you, if you want any advice or what to do, I give one peace to think about when you start training you all ave mates down/up the road take your birds to him ask him to liberate your birds when he lets his birds out your birds will learn to break for birds from any where you must take it in turns one you take your birds to them the next time they bring their birds to you which ever way you go you both get the same training out of it,the way Im saying is you take birds to them and you take their birds back the next time they bring to you and they take yours back.

Ginger wrote:

Dont agree with all this but you train what suits you, if you want any advice or what to do, I give one peace to think about when you start training you all ave mates down/up the road take your birds to him ask him to liberate your birds when he lets his birds out your birds will learn to break for birds from any where you must take it in turns one you take your birds to them the next time they bring their birds to you which ever way you go you both get the same training out of it,the way Im saying is you take birds to them and you take their birds back the next time they bring to you and they take yours back.

I like that idea very much.

I will try it.

Thanks

Phil (blueskylofts)

I understand what your getting at but has this worked for you have you had great success with this..its like those who say train long distances does that make a difference. We have tried both long as short and short distance work better for us.another argument is twice we train accidentally in really bad weather and I mean bad one was thick fog the other thunderstorms. Anyway the season after these birds became our best .but to be honest we would have never trained in these circumstances. So with these being our best two season doing this I should only train in bad weather.I think not to be honest.again it's each to their own

peel bros wrote:

I understand what your getting at but has this worked for you have you had great success with this..its like those who say train long distances does that make a difference. We have tried both long as short and short distance work better for us.another argument is twice we train accidentally in really bad weather and I mean bad one was thick fog the other thunderstorms. Anyway the season after these birds became our best .but to be honest we would have never trained in these circumstances. So with these being our best two season doing this I should only train in bad weather.I think not to be honest.again it's each to their own

I think you have hit the nail on the head!

DO WHAT YOU THINK IS THE BEST FOR YOUR BIRDS!

I have noticed - if you ask 10 pigeon people a question - you will get at least 7 different answers.

On a personal note - are you racing today? If so from where and how far.

atb
Phil