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PostSubject: pigeon products   Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:55 pm

does any one use OREGO STIM if so do you think it is a good thing and does it work ?
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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:12 pm

I use ropa b liquid in the water, I think it contains oregano...just ordered some more today.
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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:34 pm

does it do what it says ? david
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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:25 pm

I think it does edgie, Darren recommended it to me a couple of years ago, remember when my birds were ill, and I was treating blind with anything I could get me hands on...? well it turned out all the anti biotics were making them worse and regular use of ropa b and a good worming tablet sorted them out, they have been healthy ever since.

I also use that primalac pro biotic every now and then too...
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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:38 am

As far as I can find out OREGO STIM is not a product for pigeons.

So my question is - Why do you want to use it, Edgie?

If you are after a product that contains OREGANO, there are several on the market.

I use Oregano oil, I also have some Oregano tea I got from ROPA, which I use once a fortnight, or when it is very hot.

Edgie - you also ask - "does it do what it says" - How can anyone tell if these products work, unless it is a medicine or something to counteract something, like a remedy for y/b sickness or cocci.

I think all of us have cupboards full of stuff that we have bought, that are SUPPOSED to do this or that.  We buy them in the 'Hope' they will do what they are supposed to do, but in my case, I never 'Really' know if they work or not.

I guess the only way to really tell is to split one's flock into two - treat ONE lot and DON'T treat the other lot.  Then compare the results.

I just wonder if a big percentage of the products out there are nothing more than placebos.

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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:15 am

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As far as I can find out OREGO STIM is not a product for pigeons.

So my question is - Why do you want to use it, Edgie?

If you are after a product that contains OREGANO, there are several on the market.

I use Oregano oil, I also have some Oregano tea I got from ROPA, which I use once a fortnight, or when it is very hot.

Edgie - you also ask - "does it do what it says" - How can anyone tell if these products work, unless it is a medicine or something to counteract something, like a remedy for y/b sickness or cocci.

I think all of us have cupboards full of stuff that we have bought, that are SUPPOSED to do this or that.  We buy them in the 'Hope' they will do what they are supposed to do, but in my case, I never 'Really' know if they work or not.

I guess the only way to really tell is to split one's flock into two - treat ONE lot and DON'T treat the other lot.  Then compare the results.

I just wonder if a big percentage of the products out there are nothing more than placebos.

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my enquiry phill was does anybody use this product , as it seems to me that a lot of stuff on the market is not what it says it is , it is supposed to help dry the droppings up but does it ? , it is sold for pigeons and has been for years , I have never bought any and probably never will , but if it does work then its far better than giving antibiotics is it not ?
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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:57 am

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blueskylofts wrote:
As far as I can find out OREGO STIM is not a product for pigeons.

So my question is - Why do you want to use it, Edgie?

If you are after a product that contains OREGANO, there are several on the market.

I use Oregano oil, I also have some Oregano tea I got from ROPA, which I use once a fortnight, or when it is very hot.

Edgie - you also ask - "does it do what it says" - How can anyone tell if these products work, unless it is a medicine or something to counteract something, like a remedy for y/b sickness or cocci.

I think all of us have cupboards full of stuff that we have bought, that are SUPPOSED to do this or that.  We buy them in the 'Hope' they will do what they are supposed to do, but in my case, I never 'Really' know if they work or not.

I guess the only way to really tell is to split one's flock into two - treat ONE lot and DON'T treat the other lot.  Then compare the results.

I just wonder if a big percentage of the products out there are nothing more than placebos.

Phil
my enquiry phill was does anybody use this product , as it seems to me that a lot of stuff on the market is not what it says it is , it is supposed to help dry the droppings up but does it ? , it is sold for pigeons and has been for years , I have never bought any and probably never will , but if it does work then its far better than giving antibiotics is it not ?
Amen to not using antibiotics!  

I looked and looked on Google for the stuff and could only find it for pigs, sheep poultry etc - nothing about it being used for pigeons - sorry, I can only go by, what I can find information about.

I have not been in the pigeon game as long as you have, and know very little compared to yourself, so forgive me, if I put my big foot in it, it is only down to ignorance and defiantly not malice.

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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:22 am

here you go phil, orego stim for racing pigeons...

http://www.feedstation.co.uk/shop/product/origostimracingpigeon/397
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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:12 am

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As far as I can find out OREGO STIM is not a product for pigeons.

So my question is - Why do you want to use it, Edgie?

If you are after a product that contains OREGANO, there are several on the market.

I use Oregano oil, I also have some Oregano tea I got from ROPA, which I use once a fortnight, or when it is very hot.

Edgie - you also ask - "does it do what it says" - How can anyone tell if these products work, unless it is a medicine or something to counteract something, like a remedy for y/b sickness or cocci.

I think all of us have cupboards full of stuff that we have bought, that are SUPPOSED to do this or that.  We buy them in the 'Hope' they will do what they are supposed to do, but in my case, I never 'Really' know if they work or not.

I guess the only way to really tell is to split one's flock into two - treat ONE lot and DON'T treat the other lot.  Then compare the results.

I just wonder if a big percentage of the products out there are nothing more than placebos.

Phil
my enquiry phill was does anybody use this product , as it seems to me that a lot of stuff on the market is not what it says it is , it is supposed to help dry the droppings up but does it ? , it is sold for pigeons and has been for years , I have never bought any and probably never will , but if it does work then its far better than giving antibiotics is it not ?
Amen to not using antibiotics!  

I looked and looked on Google for the stuff and could only find it for pigs, sheep poultry etc - nothing about it being used for pigeons - sorry, I can only go by, what I can find information about.

I have not been in the pigeon game as long as you have, and know very little compared to yourself, so forgive me, if I put my big foot in it, it is only down to ignorance and defiantly not malice.

Phil
I am not picking fights phill simply trying to find out . I too am still learnig Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:07 pm

oregano for pigeons is very very good ....I was interviewed and offered the position of uk agent for ropa pharm but declined their offer but did study their product very closely ...having droppings tests done on a regular basis to see its worth it keeps down cocci and canker external and internal parasites and is also anti-bacterial ...their are various oregano products on the market at different strengths ,orego stim is about 5% proof ropadair is about 8% and ropa b 10% orego stim is for continual use everyday of the week and ropa b 3 times per week personally I would rathe ruse the stronger one less often as I feel it has a better impact used this way ...now with the ropa you also have oil,powder and aqueous solution and have found the aqueous form to work best due to its concentration level ...I have not used a antibiotic for many years now and really rate ropa b aqueous solution ...I don't treat my birds prior to breeding or during it just ropa and a few lads on here will vouch for the health of the ybs they have had from me ...remember its not a miracle cure its a natural aid for the birds to keep on top things...incidentally,when I spoke with pigeon vet henk de weerd he said he refused to sell it through his company as it would hit the sales of some of his products Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:07 pm

Very interesting read Darren but do we realy need to use it. As I have never used it
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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:21 pm

its up to the individual steve prevention is better than a cure its a natural product and economical to use theirs been extensive testing by ropa-pharm in the poultry and farming industry and the results are very pleasing ropa b is used on cattle and pigs too and has seen a large reduction in the use of medications
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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:57 am

As I have said before, I use oregano products every week.  I use oregano oil on the corn p.m. twice a week and give them ROPA oregano tea once a fortnight.

Thanks for the very interesting and informed info Darren.
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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:01 am

you can drink the tea yourself phil ...they do in the ropapharm offices ,now lets take the topic a bit further ...what else do guys like to give their birds in the natural way I give garlic oil this time of year as the sulphur in it helps the moult the garlic oil is dried off with cinnamon powder...come on lads lets have a few tips for novices cheers
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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:06 am

pack the lot in , and save a fortune , also have a life . lol! lol! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:45 am

I put garlic parsley and linseed oil on the corn and also use red cell multivitamine
s don't no if any of this helped but had no th sickness this year
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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:59 am

use avidress for 7 dys then just water for 7 put garlic on corn and dry with pink minerals also use red sell on feed birds are tested 4 times a year and treated as and when need to be I e worms canker cocci they are all so vac for parramixo and parratifiod sean
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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:11 am

This is a subject very close to my heart.

Natural products are one of the best things you can give a pigeon, I have a whole box full.

BUT - the last time I tried to talk about 'Natural' products, I got shot down in flames.

I am a true believer in things natural and I use a lot of natural products including quite a few from Gary Spavin.

Follow this link to his site:-
http://spavinsherbsandpigeons.com/herbal_tinctures_4.html

When I last tried to bring up this subject, someone said "it was too much faffing about" or something like that - to change the stuff in the water every day.  Well, I don't know about you guys, but I change my birds' water every day - in fact, I change their drinkers every day, wash out the old ones and leave them to dry for the next day.

Please don't come back at me and say stuff like - 'that means one has to buy double the amount of drinkers' or 'too much work for me'.

I know it is a lot of work, but so is 'Looking after Pigeons'!  I believe you get out of your birds what you put in.

I was once asked by a fancier to come to his loft and give him some advice as he was not getting anywhere on the result sheet.  The first thing I saw was, his birds' drinker was almost GREEN inside with mould or some other crap-ola.  No wonder his birds were not doing very well.

ALSO - about stuff on the corn - I put something different on my birds' corn, every afternoon!  Whether that be garlic powder, one of Gary's products or brewers yeast or something else, and no it is not a faff or a time consuming thing, because I have a system.  I guess that most of us have a system that suits them and their birds.

Thanks to something Edgie once said regarding rape seed oil being good for pigeons in general, and particularly at this time of year when they are moulting, I went out and bought some black rape seeds, but I also bought some rape seed oil, which I sometimes put on their corn for their afternoon feed.  I never put anything on the birds' corn in the mornings, only for their p.m. feed.

I trust this is of interest to someone!
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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:14 am

Cod liver oil twice a week, mixed on the corn the birds love it
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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:04 am

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Cod liver oil twice a week, mixed on the corn the birds love it
I have just read an article about the use of cod live oil for pigeons - it said to be VERY sparing with it.

Can't remember where I saw it now.

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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:08 pm

I too am a believer in some natural products phil ...ropa,garlic oil during the moult,wheat germ oil during breeding,cinammon powder and gem the pax which is a good product mine get the g10 pellets which have added gem the pax ...not used a antibiotic for years and have not had to cull any birds so I come to the conclusion they must be having a positive effect having good test results too,I never give the birds anything without studying it first myself ...licorice root is another I am very interested in
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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:05 pm

I use Ropa b 3 times a week.
I use a poultry multi vitamin once a week.
And harkers 3 in 1 before breeding and before racing.
I use potassium pananganate on return from race and if they've been missing and come back after a time away.
Also give a lice treatment dotted on back of the neck for whole flock if any sign of lice.
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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:54 pm

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This is a subject very close to my heart.

Natural products are one of the best things you can give a pigeon, I have a whole box full.

BUT - the last time I tried to talk about 'Natural' products, I got shot down in flames.

I am a true believer in things natural and I use a lot of natural products including quite a few from Gary Spavin.

Follow this link to his site:-
http://spavinsherbsandpigeons.com/herbal_tinctures_4.html

When I last tried to bring up this subject, someone said "it was too much faffing about" or something like that - to change the stuff in the water every day.  Well, I don't know about you guys, but I change my birds' water every day - in fact, I change their drinkers every day, wash out the old ones and leave them to dry for the next day.

Please don't come back at me and say stuff like - 'that means one has to buy double the amount of drinkers' or 'too much work for me'.

I know it is a lot of work, but so is 'Looking after Pigeons'!  I believe you get out of your birds what you put in.

I was once asked by a fancier to come to his loft and give him some advice as he was not getting anywhere on the result sheet.  The first thing I saw was, his birds' drinker was almost GREEN inside with mould or some other crap-ola.  No wonder his birds were not doing very well.

ALSO - about stuff on the corn - I put something different on my birds' corn, every afternoon!  Whether that be garlic powder, one of Gary's products or brewers yeast or something else, and no it is not a faff or a time consuming thing, because I have a system.  I guess that most of us have a system that suits them and their birds.

Thanks to something Edgie once said regarding rape seed oil being good for pigeons in general, and particularly at this time of year when they are moulting, I went out and bought some black rape seeds, but I also bought some rape seed oil, which I sometimes put on their corn for their afternoon feed.  I never put anything on the birds' corn in the mornings, only for their p.m. feed.

I trust this is of interest to someone!
Phil

I change water daily too its left to stand for 24 hours before use, I clean the drinkers twice per week in fact I have 3 drinkers for each section 1 is for treatments like canker cocci and wormer the other 2 are for everyday use they get submerged twice per week in a ashbin full of water and a bottle of sterilising fluid taken out and rinsed and left to dry ...water and fluid is changed each time,the drinker is the worst thing for transmitting pathogens from bird to bird ...fussy yes but piece of mind I am doing my bit this is done the whole year come rain or shine
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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:33 pm

I don't think you are being fussy at all Darren.

I commend your system.  I don't think you can be too clean when it comes to drinkers and feeders.

Keep up the great work.

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PostSubject: Re: pigeon products   Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:41 pm

I Have a tub of olive oil extra virgin only the best. inside tub of oil is lots of garlic, sliced carrots and few hurbs. I mix about 6ml of oil for every kilo of food every other day. birds are looking great.
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