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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:30 pm

I brought 2 in from same loft summer bred, normaly I don't I certainly would not bring in breeder buyers nowt but trouble , I have never had young bird sickness
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:42 pm

Yes it was the only bird I brought in.
But I get yb sickness every year.
My latebreds have even got a mild case of it now.
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:27 am

you say you get young bird sickness every year , how far back can you go ? can you remember the first time ? and did you bring anything in that year ? cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:29 am

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I didn't bring any in edgie
have you had young bird sickness this year ian ? cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:55 am

Only started back up 2years ago and as skint had birds kindly gifted from everywhere.
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:29 pm

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I didn't bring any in edgie
have you had young bird sickness this year ian ? cheers
. Yes had young bird sickness get it every year
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:18 pm

I am just wondering it seems to me lofts that get young bird sickness , have useualy brought in young birds at some time , I wonder if when they are sick it is still in the timber they have been sick on ? maybe those that get it or have had it should disinfect the areas more ? cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:24 pm

ivce heard of fanciers who get it every year, no matter what they do.......but what brings it on, stress...? over feeding...? poor management...?
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:28 pm

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ivce heard of fanciers who get it every year, no matter what they do.......but what brings it on, stress...?   over feeding...? poor management...?
probably all of those david but I rekon it came from the continant , brought in by some unsuspecting fancier that thought they had baught a bargain ?
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:14 am

why not give this a try it may work for you ,vaccinate at 24 days old , feed Gerry plus , squeeze lemon juice on to corn every second day, twice a week give them clay block crushed with minerals , I use rhonfried pink and red grit mixed well , and I know it don't look good but I put a 3ins layer of easibed down on the floor ,and it stays down I never clean them out till end of moult don't do perches either , as long as it is dry and good ventilation , this way you are giving them natural immunity ,if one goes off it , get rid look after the healthy ones as good pigeons don't get poorly ,you will finish up with a family of birds tough as old boots , it may take a season or two but the birds will only get better cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:52 pm

...if I was going down the deep litter route I would give myself a head start by leaving down a % of the litter from the season before ...hate to see ybs on Gerry plus good barley and beans and pellets would even be a better option for growing ybs ...just my opinion on this but a lot feed ybs far too light when racing and training they got feck all to work back on ...no bodyweight feeding salad food to ybs is crazy they are growing animals ,if they make a mistake they got no fuel left in the tank that's why a lot don't work back being fed on Gerry and diet mixes though I would rather feed a diet mix than Gerry all Gerry has in it is plenty of carbohydrates ok for old birds sprinting or to feed early in the week jmo though each to his own
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:53 pm

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...if I was going down the deep litter route I would give myself a head start by leaving down a % of the litter from the season before ...hate to see ybs on Gerry plus good barley and beans and pellets would even be a better option for growing ybs ...just my opinion on this but a lot feed ybs far too light when racing and training they got feck all to work back on ...no bodyweight feeding salad food to ybs is crazy they are growing animals ,if they make a mistake they got no fuel left in the tank that's why a lot don't work back being fed on Gerry and diet mixes though I would rather feed a diet mix than Gerry all Gerry has in it is plenty of carbohydrates ok for old birds sprinting or to feed early in the week jmo though each to his own
by the time my young birds have been weaned off they havebut had plenty of protein to grow. By feeding a light mix gets the puppy fat of them. I am a very heavy feeder and work my birds hard no way would i give beans to any bird young or old. I do feed fats. and my birds come well week after week they also have plenty of body on them. And plenty in the tank .had my team to 170 miles this year all 40 of them . 36 still here flying in to strong head winds .so must be doing somat right.but like you say each to there own. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:19 pm

beans and barley early days for my ybs once i start training / racing i use a good widowhood mix never had any problems as for your birds going to 170 miles that sprint racing so you dont know if your method works until you get them 300 miles plus jmo thou each to there own
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:53 pm

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beans and barley early days for my ybs once i start training / racing i use a good widowhood mix never had any problems as for your birds going to 170 miles that sprint racing so you dont know if your method works until you get them 300 miles plus jmo thou each to there own
I will just point out that I don't normally race young birds this year was an exception. Bye the time they are 2 yo they go all the way . I don't rush yearlings either . I useualy get the results I want .and I also enjoy my birds cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:58 pm

We seem to be getting away from what I was trying to suggest. And that was trying to find out and stop young bird sickness if possible ? cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:33 pm

sorry but feeding ybs Gerry plus here is a definite NO it has to be one of the least nourishing mixes out their and don't be fooled that small popcorn maize is easy to digest because it is actually quite difficult and that fact is well documented although I think an eliment of maize is good for ybs and I would much rather feed junior plus versel laga as its a very well balanced yb mix but not to heavy I think yb feed is extremely important and should never be taken lightly or overlooked as they don't stop growing once they leave the nest atb
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:57 pm

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sorry but feeding ybs Gerry plus here is a definite NO it has to be one of the least nourishing mixes out their and don't be fooled that small popcorn maize is easy to digest because it is actually quite difficult and that fact is well documented although I think an eliment of maize is good for ybs and I would much rather feed junior plus versel laga as its a very well balanced yb mix but not to heavy I think yb feed is extremely important and should never be taken lightly or overlooked as they don't stop growing once they leave the nest atb
Darren I think you misunderstand me I use a varied mix of other seeds and fats in my mix , I do ,not use Gerry plus from the bag on its own .
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PostSubject: Young Bird Sickness...   Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:02 pm

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We seem to be getting away from what I was trying to suggest.  And that was trying to find out and stop young bird sickness if possible ? cheers
the topic is tumley loft competition birds ???????
yes ian I am aware that it is tumley lofts competition birds , but if you read higher up the topic we get onto the subject of young bird sickness , it is that I am talking about , and trying to find a reason why it occours anualy for a lot of fanciers / cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:15 pm

thanks for splitting topic cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:17 pm

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why not give this a try it may work for you ,vaccinate at 24 days old , feed Gerry plus , squeeze lemon juice on to corn every second day, twice a week give them clay block crushed with minerals , I use rhonfried pink and red grit mixed well , and I know it don't look good but I put a 3ins layer of easibed down on the floor ,and it stays down I never clean them out till end of moult don't do perches either , as long as it is dry and good ventilation , this way you are giving them natural immunity ,if one goes off it , get rid look after the healthy ones as good pigeons don't get poorly ,you will finish up with a family of birds tough as old boots , it may take a season or two but the birds will only get better cheers

sorry I must have read it wrong or maybe you meant something else either way its only a game eh cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:19 pm

no appolagie needed daren its just this topic got cross wired cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:21 pm

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thanks for splitting topic cheers

no problem edgie, I was going to do it this morning but didn't get chance.......as young bird sickness is always a problem for a pigeon fancier it makes sence to give it a topic of its own, and hopefully it may do someone some good regards treatment if any of our members is un lucky enough to get it.
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:24 pm

wish you had done it this morning , I was beginning to think I had got it personally '? lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:25 pm

I think getting ybs in is a big factor in young bird sickness or newly acquired stock years ago everyone bred at home and from their racers too not paper pigeons who have been un-raced for a couple of generations the racers get exposed to so many pathogens therefore have solid immunity themselves and also to pass on to their ybs at least they have been tested I would rather breed from racers than anything else
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PostSubject: Re: Young Bird Sickness...   Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:29 pm

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I think getting ybs in is a big factor in young bird sickness years ago everyone bred at home and from their racers too not paper pigeons who have been un-raced for a couple of generations the racers get exposed to so many pathogens therefore have solid immunity themselves and also to pass on to their ybs at least they have been tested I would rather breed from racers than anything else
too many chaseing rainbows with a pedigree tried and tested is the order of the day for me , good solid stock
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