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PostSubject: Birds jumping up at the bars   Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:39 pm

I have cut back on our birds food over the past few weeks:-

1. To get them into more of a breeding condition, weight wise.

2. To get them to trap better in the new racing loft I have just finished.

They were a bit over-fed and although they would come in eventually, they were a bit reluctant and one or two of them took ages.

However, now as soon as I go near their loft to let them out for exercise, or to feed them, quite a few of them jump up onto the dowel sliding doors.

How can I stop them doing this?


It isn't the jumping up I mind so much - but they bugger up their tail feathers balancing on the cross members on the dowel doors. And I am sure this won't help them when it comes time to race in a few months.

Any ideas you guys and gals?

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PostSubject: Re: Birds jumping up at the bars   Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:46 pm

add a handful of barley after their feed if they have mopped up their ration or add more feed sounds like their hungry they will probably be ok now their used to trapping to the section I notice my hens get themselves into their own condition once paired they don't seem to eat for a few days and then very little for next few days I think nature has its way some times mind you they are never that overweight atb
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PostSubject: Re: Birds jumping up at the bars   Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:08 pm

probably hungry, they see you coming to the loft and associate you with food.......
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PostSubject: Re: Birds jumping up at the bars   Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:05 am

tbh I thought dowels stopped feather damage maybe you have meshed the dowels to
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PostSubject: Re: Birds jumping up at the bars   Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:56 pm

oldstrain wrote:
tbh I thought dowels stopped feather damage maybe you have meshed the dowels to

NO mesh - just standard dowelled doors.

These are the actual doors on the new loft




The birds jump up on the 'cross member' fan their tails out onto the bars to steady themselves.  That is when they damage their tail feathers.

You and a couple of other people said they do it because they are hungry - Yes they are a bit hungry, that is because I was feeding them too much and they would not come in when called.

I cut the food down a bit until they came in when called and then all this jumping up on the bars started.  I don't seem to be able to hit a happy balance - enough food to stop them jumping up and they don't come in - keeping them a bit hungry ends up with this mess.

I have to say - I am at a loss of what to do!

Any further ideas anyone?

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PostSubject: Re: Birds jumping up at the bars   Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:02 pm

you could fix thin ply to the cross members and angle the ply downwards like on a v-perch that would stop them damaging tail feathers I would think but the door would be a problem still ,maybe Perspex for the door or polycarbonate their would still be ample ventilation...you could even run a shelf along parallel with cross members allowing perching area they wont cling on then but of course that stops them being in their box if their widowers if they are breeders then it could be an option
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PostSubject: Re: Birds jumping up at the bars   Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:36 pm

how much corn are you feeding each bird phil, and what mix are you feeding...?

also are you feeding once or twice per day...?

maybe with this information members may be able to advise more.
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PostSubject: Re: Birds jumping up at the bars   Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:55 pm

Could you weave some thin ply/hardboard/acrylic strips through the dowels but have the top edge pointed saw tooth style stop the pigeons gripping with their feet? Just a mock up to see if it works, then once you got the pointed edge right shape you could make a strip more of a permanent fixture tacked in place. Only needs be a couple inches wide if its ply it will blend in with the new doors nicely.
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PostSubject: Re: Birds jumping up at the bars   Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:45 pm

David wrote:
how much corn are you feeding each bird phil, and what mix are you feeding...?

also are you feeding once or twice per day...?

maybe with this information members may be able to advise more.

All the birds get 28 to 30 grams per bird per day - 40% in the morning and 60% at night. I say 28 to 30 grams because if they can't go out because of bad weather, they get a little less.

I like to let both sexes out twice a day if possible - but these morning have been so damp and misty, that it has been impossible to let anything out until at least 15:00 hours.

When the birds go out, they fly for 20 to 30 mins.

I feed my own mix, but essentially it is VL Best all Round and a little VL Breed and Wean that have left. That is mixed with around 5% smaller seed - Dari, safflower, hemp, millet, rape and a tiny bit of linseed.

Does this help David?

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PostSubject: Re: Birds jumping up at the bars   Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:29 pm

it doesn't help me phil, I`m a mere novice......but it may help some of our more experienced members to maybe give you some idea of how to stop them flying at the dowels if the problem actually is down to feeding....
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PostSubject: Re: Birds jumping up at the bars   Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:39 pm

mine are getting 1 1/4 ounce per day similar mix for 1 ounce and about 1/4 ounce small seed and pellet in the morning ...i think they tell you when its not enough or too much ...if their mopping everything up then try adding a handful of barley after they have eaten everything, barley is a great regulator in feed its the first thing they leave i always like to feed so just a few grains of barley are left so i add a percentage to all my feeds as a signal as much as anything else
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PostSubject: Re: Birds jumping up at the bars   Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:55 pm

Good chance your birds are really fit if you're flying them out regularly,  just moulted out and mad keen to pair, especially if they're aware of the opposite sex nearby. It might not have so much to do with feeding, maybe more the pigeons are revved up and can't sit in their boxes/perches too long?
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PostSubject: Re: Birds jumping up at the bars   Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:30 pm

yes you could be right barnie i guess we should all know our birds really mine are opposite ends of the garden and are keen but not clinging to wires some been going out daily (late breds) i reckon this time of year it is a waiste of time exercising birds twice per day jmo and this last week were better left in ...foggy damp weather...sometimes we can be more eager than the pigeons when we are keen atb
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