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PostSubject: Natural system   Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:52 pm

Does anyone on here race natural competitively through the card sprint and long distance.

I'm seriously considering opening the front of my loft up and racing natural.
But I would never race pigeons home to nestlings and then dispose of them.

I like my birds to be happy around the loft, racing natural could suite me as I can train regularly because I'm a white van man and deliver along the line of flight.

Jo Cuthbert the BHW scribe seems to do very well racing natural.
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PostSubject: Re: Natural system   Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:04 pm

all systems seem to work at times m8 ...i know guys doing well on natural i don't like the mess and prefer a bit of a routine if i am honest but i will let darkness ybs pair and race them on pot eggs ...atb
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PostSubject: Re: Natural system   Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:08 pm

Boosey I race natural one season and round about the next we send both cocks and hens on the same day to the same race with no problem from 83 to 332 and 440 mls when the fed goes that far only on pot eggs never sent feeding and taking the first 3/4/ or 5 places racing against widow hood flyer's so yes it is OK but you must train regular
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PostSubject: Re: Natural system   Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:17 pm

Why do you alternate between natural and roundabout Mark.
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PostSubject: Re: Natural system   Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:49 pm

It just depends on how many hens I have at the end of the season old and Young if only 24/25 hens its round about hens stay with Young birds if it's more its natural and surplus hens stay with young birds that's all
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PostSubject: Re: Natural system   Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:57 pm

Cheers Mark, I've got no stock and have to breed from my racers, if you were to fly natural when would you pair them up, and do they hold their flights for the later distance races.
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PostSubject: Re: Natural system   Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:51 pm

Natural birds take a lot f work. Attention to detail as regards nest position, days sitting etc,. 2 or 3 times a season they will score well. Widowhood, cocks or hens or dual will score more consistently and are usually in shape 90% of the time. Less work also.
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PostSubject: Re: Natural system   Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:31 pm

markevans wrote:
Boosey I race natural one season and round about the next we send both cocks and hens on the same day to the same race with no problem from 83 to 332 and 440 mls when the fed goes that far only on pot eggs never sent feeding and taking the first 3/4/ or 5 places racing against widow hood flyer's so yes it is OK but you must train regular

Will second that Mark

Naturals need loads of road work
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PostSubject: Re: Natural system   Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:37 pm

Boosey wrote:
Does anyone on here race natural competitively through the card sprint and long distance.

I'm seriously considering opening the front of my loft up and racing natural.
But I would never race pigeons home to nestlings and then dispose of them.

I like my birds to be happy around the loft, racing natural could suite me as I can train regularly because I'm a white van man and deliver along the line of flight.

Jo Cuthbert the BHW scribe seems to do very well racing natural.

Boosey the one thing I would say is if you have 16 pairs try pairing 4 pairs first then 2 weeks later another 4 pairs and so on once they are all paired up

By doing that you have your pigeons at different stages of motivation
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PostSubject: Re: Natural system   Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:25 pm

halcanada wrote:
Natural birds take a lot f work. Attention to detail as regards nest position, days sitting etc,. 2 or 3 times a season they will score well. Widowhood, cocks or hens or dual will score more consistently and are usually in shape 90% of the time. Less work also.


I agree there hal, more work involved with natural, plus getting the right conditions for the birds to perform well has to be just right, if it was me natural would be too much, widowhood for me would be a lot easier.....
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PostSubject: Re: Natural system   Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:54 pm

Have won to 600 miles natural and many shorter ones. However, will race widowhood this year for the first time.
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PostSubject: Re: Natural system   Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:42 am

Natural for us on the longer races
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PostSubject: Re: Natural system   Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:39 pm

I've never flew natural but Gona try it this year with work and also having 26 cocks and only 12 hens I'm going 2 have 2 pair some cocks to stock hens and keep them natural
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PostSubject: Re: Natural system   Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:23 am

Mick wrote:
I've never flew natural but Gona try it this year with work and also having 26 cocks and only 12 hens I'm going 2 have 2 pair some cocks to stock hens and keep them natural
Could be OK Mick, more than one way to skin a cat etc "Smile, smile". Just don't tell though that other South Shields lad here what your up to as such. Cheer's.
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PostSubject: Re: Natural system   Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:34 am

When we raced before a few years ago - we race totally Natural - short medium and long races.

The trick is getting your birds to the right condition/state of egg/ babies etc, that suits the particular bird.

A lot of birds will do their best when they are sitting on 10 day old eggs - others fly best with a 5 day old baby.

The real way to win using the natural system is to tune yourself into what condition each pair of your birds fly best at!

We used to run something called "The Natural Flyers Club" way back in the day and had members from all over England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland.

If I can be of any further help, drop me a PM or email me at blueskylofts@yahoo.com

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PostSubject: Re: Natural system   Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:38 am

well done phil great to see members offering help
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PostSubject: Re: Natural system   Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:18 pm

The thing with natural is getting right where as widowhood or roundabout it's a lot easier and less hassle. ..I think natural is a art that's why most look for the easier option including me
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PostSubject: Re: Natural system   Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:59 pm

Their is a nak to it and it is more hard work as the birds don't want to exercise and need to be trained more often but you do have benefit of a bigger team as you do with round about but the problem is too many birds in one section if your sections are not very large which causes health issues
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