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PostSubject: Darren 2017 Young Birds.   Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:08 pm

posting these pictures of darrens 2017 young birds for him, and very nice they look too.......all look very healthy and well reared.

well done Darren... cheers








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PostSubject: Re: Darren 2017 Young Birds.   Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:47 pm

these are our first ybs this year ...they will be heading north next week to another site member ...cant believe the down on the 2 dk cheqs in the middle pic Laughing thanks for posting david
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PostSubject: Re: Darren 2017 Young Birds.   Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:53 pm

Looking good darren mate cheers cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Darren 2017 Young Birds.   Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:58 pm

Very nice Darren that's what I like to see big strong healthy youngsters in the nest with feathers right down to the wattles young birds that are bare around the face on weening haven't been reared correctly
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PostSubject: Re: Darren 2017 Young Birds.   Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:27 pm

Looking well Daz fingers crossed you get a few winners
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PostSubject: Re: Darren 2017 Young Birds.   Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:08 pm

all looking very nice Darren, any info on the breeding etc...?
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PostSubject: Re: Darren 2017 Young Birds.   Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:46 am

the bottom 2 are jan arden/grooter and the middle ones are delbar/jan arden the top one is delbar/grooter so all distance stuff david
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PostSubject: Re: Darren 2017 Young Birds.   Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:05 pm

Nice to see some of the old breeds still going where did you get the grooters from daz
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PostSubject: Re: Darren 2017 Young Birds.   Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:43 pm

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Nice to see some of the old breeds still going where did you get the grooters from daz

from a fancier in herts when I first started up he gifted me a pair that was 7 year ago now I was talking to jack Bolitho (cousin jack bhw scribe for 50 years but no longer) and said I would like some as my grandfather had a loft full in his day and it just so happened his best m8 Patrick o'reily had some from the old Hammond and whittaker grooters which were my grandfathers source too ,these are very cherished here as they carry a lot of sentiment ,sadly pat passed away just over 6 months ago but we had some great times together in those 7 years ...god bless ya pat
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PostSubject: Re: Darren 2017 Young Birds.   Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:50 pm

yes its nice to hear some of the old breeds are still in existence Darren...... Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Darren 2017 Young Birds.   Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:24 pm

20 years ago imported 10 pair from Hammond and Whittaker. Chocolates, blues, reds. Had a partner share the expense. Bred lots off them. They were the poorest pigeons I ever owned. Could not win anything at any distance. Guy in the US had imported some years earlier. Same results. They just do not work over here. But again, neither do Aardens. Climate? Do not know. Strange!
3 years then got rid of them.
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PostSubject: Re: Darren 2017 Young Birds.   Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:49 pm

When I had mine they came off bill Hammond direct spent many hours in his House talking pigeons at crappenhall got one of his books he and his wife wrote with details of all the birds in mine were blues bronze grizzlies and cheques
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PostSubject: Re: Darren 2017 Young Birds.   Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:52 pm

my grandfather had the bronze grizzles and blues and paired they threw the silver grizzles but the bronze and blues were the best when I did a bit of research I read that ernest grooter used the hansenne pigeons and wegg but theirs very little info out their as ernest was a loner,my grandfather won some stiff races with the grooters and they only really shine on a long hard day when the chips are down my grandfathers best days were in the 70's with the grooters quite some time before yours hal ...I just got the pair for nostalgia a trip down memory lane Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Darren 2017 Young Birds.   Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:57 pm

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When I had mine they came off bill Hammond direct spent many hours in his House talking pigeons at crappenhall got one of his books he and his wife wrote with details of all the birds in mine were blues bronze grizzlies and cheques

wow mark I bet that was some experience I can remember looking at the old grooter adverts in the squills back in the day and reading food for novices ...my grandfather never met bill but they spoke a few times on the blower
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PostSubject: Re: Darren 2017 Young Birds.   Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:18 pm

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20 years ago imported 10 pair from Hammond and Whittaker. Chocolates, blues, reds. Had a partner share the expense. Bred lots off them. They were the poorest pigeons I ever owned. Could not win anything at any distance. Guy in the US had imported some years earlier. Same results. They just do not work over here. But again, neither do Aardens. Climate? Do not know. Strange!
3 years then got rid of them.
Interesting Hal Smile Smile when people spend up big thinking they will find a gold mine so to speak. Still remember when the Jan Ardens hit town here in the early eighties etc. I even went halves in one with my Geordie mate at the time, beautiful birds on average but sadly crap for the most part most found. Where as the Busharrts "Wrong spelling" Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes were very plain types on the eye & hand sadly, but they flew like the wind fortunately for those that got the best of them here. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Darren 2017 Young Birds.   Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:32 am

I apologize! Friend has some Ardens and they do well. He went over and picked them out. Buschaerts no one has any more here. Van Loons do good and old Desmathys etc plus all the new stuff from Europe. Hofkens etc,. However as time goes on they also taper off. The offspring. Jannssens seem to stand the test of time although probably no such thing as a pure strain. Inbreeding keeps them pure, or close to the original.Mexican Jannssens particularly. Guy there won everything 3 years in a row. They disbanded the club. He bred generation after generation, never let them out but culled heavy. When a few came on the market in Texas years ago they cleaned up. Interesting indeed! His originals were selected by Piet de Weerd.
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PostSubject: Re: Darren 2017 Young Birds.   Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:18 am

Harold Elliot. Ireland. Friend has some of his birds here in quarantine.
Should be out soon. Supposed to be good.
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PostSubject: Re: Darren 2017 Young Birds.   Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:38 am

have a book here the memoirs of piet de weerd he was a very astute pigeon man an advocate for distance racing
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PostSubject: Re: Darren 2017 Young Birds.   Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:09 pm

Yes Darren he was a gentleman was bill must have been over a dozen times in his house and phone calls still have his letters he sent me as he was one of the old school who sent letters back and forth he lived in a big old house it still had the bells in the kitchen witch rang for each room at the front was a long drive way with a small garden the size of a football pitch with sheep on witch led to the rear of the house where the double Decker loft was must have been some 40 feet long bottom half brick with wooden loft all corn and stock birds was kept down their and race birds on top we t up stairs into a central corridor then out onto the stage witch I think was at least 8 feet wide they looked like gravel boards but longer see for miles up their happy days
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PostSubject: Re: Darren 2017 Young Birds.   Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:05 am

markevans wrote:
Yes Darren he was a gentleman was bill must have been over a dozen times in his house and phone calls still have his letters he sent me as he was one of the old school who sent letters back and forth he lived in a big old house it still had the bells in the kitchen witch rang for each room at the front was a long drive way with a small garden the size of a football pitch with sheep on witch led to the rear of the house where the double Decker loft was must have been some 40 feet long bottom half brick with wooden loft all corn and stock birds was kept down their and race birds on top we t up stairs into a central corridor then out onto the stage witch I think was at least 8 feet wide they looked like gravel boards but longer see for miles up their happy days
Nice bit of nostalgia there etc Mark Smile Smile even for some one like me as such. Thank's Wink Wink.  cheers
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