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PostSubject: Million dollar race   Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:28 pm

For your interest and possible discussion here are some interesting stats prepared by and emailed to a few of us by a friend of ours in the Oshawa Club". What follows is what he wrote!
"Here are some statistics for the South Africa OLR race:
Ganus Family had on the first training race 65 birds and on the final race 7 pay positions or 10.7 % pigeons.
Hooymans had on the first training race 50 birds and on the final race 5 pay positions or 10 % pigeons.
Florea Sorin had on the first training race 37 birds and on the final race 3 pay positions or 8.1 % pigeons.
Millys Loft had on the first training race 27 birds and on the final race 4 pay positions or 14.8 % pigeons
Koopman had on the first training race 24 birds and on the final race 2 pay positions or 8.3 % pigeons.
Klaas had on the first training race 24 birds and on the final race ZERO pay positions or 0 % pigeons.
Veenstra had on the first training race 23 birds and on the final race 2 pay positions or 8.7 % pigeons.
Ado Family Loft had on the first training race 18 birds and on the final race 2 pay positions or 11.1 % pigeons.
Rhodes Loft had on the first training race 17 birds and on the final race 2 pay positions or 17.6 % pigeons.
Eijerkamp had on the first training race 14 birds and on the final race ZERO pay positions or 0 % pigeons.
McLaughlin had on the first training race 12 birds and on the final race ZERO pay positions or 0 % pigeons.
Probably only Hooymans ( 3th position on final race) and Florea Sorin ( 1 st position on HSCR) have made money.
So if you buy young pigeons from big names for 1000 plus dollars the probability to get good one is maybe 10%. If you buy old pigeons the probability the get good one is even less because who is selling good tested pigeons."
the only additional observation I would make is that pay positions after 150th do not come close to covering costs.
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PostSubject: Re: Million dollar race   Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:31 pm

Its all about playing the numbers game Halcanada, the big studs need to do well so they can keep there reputation in lights that's why it becomes a numbers game.

Take a look at the year (not sure) Gaby Vandanabeele sent only 3 pigeons and I think he finished 3rd in the final race
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PostSubject: Re: Million dollar race   Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:50 pm

Heck, Mona Lisa youngsters are $20,000 each! So if someone buys one, breeds off it, the young will be expensive. Return on investment. And so on down the line. Must give him credit though. He does buy winners to breed from. Unfortunately not all winners breed winners.


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PostSubject: Re: Million dollar race   Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:55 pm

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Heck, Mona Lisa youngsters are  $20,000 each! So if someone buys one, breeds off it, the young will be expensive. Return on investment.  And so on down the line. Must give him credit though. He does buy winners to breed from. Unfortunately not all winners breed winners.    


Smile Smile My bones tell me Hal Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes looking at those figures above Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad there could be a management issue Laughing Laughing Laughing some what with the race  Wink  Wink. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Million dollar race   Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:42 am

Knackered. I watched the race via Livestream. 1st bird was back 5 mins before any of the others. Sat out. Was the best bird on the day. Clocked 4 or 6. Another blue cock came and chased hens around for 30 mins. Trapping was garbage.
I imagine there will be changes next year. When large sums of money are involved non-winners are usually critical. Name of the game. One enters one takes chances. Not for me but admire the folks who take the risk.
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PostSubject: Re: Million dollar race   Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:57 am

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Knackered. I watched the race via Livestream. 1st bird was back 5 mins before any of the others. Sat out. Was the best bird on the day. Clocked 4 or 6. Another blue cock came and chased hens around for 30 mins. Trapping was garbage.
I imagine there will be changes next year. When large sums of money are involved non-winners are usually critical. Name of the game. One enters one takes chances. Not for me but admire the folks who take the risk.
Those type of tales Hal Smile Smile have been around since the first race etc for what I have seen. Total garbage/disgrace Laughing Laughing Laughing from my perspective Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes & that's being rather kind to the people running it as such, who claim to be doing everything in a professional type manner.  cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Million dollar race   Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:35 pm

This really is an interesting post, just goes to show that from the very best of the very best some cant find a decent pigeon and 10% is about all they can muster. So If you think about that for a minute it means they will probably only sell you birds which they would consider not to be from their best maybe at best 40% as good as they actually have. It means its about 4% chance of good ones like picking 4 birds from a selection of 100, not great odds.

Im surprised at Eijerkamp not getting any to the final considering the cost to send the big boys are quite conservative in the amount they have sent, because most of them are nearly millionares, Im going to send 3 this year and have a go. think its about £850.
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PostSubject: Re: Million dollar race   Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:56 pm

Rudderfett wrote:
This really is an interesting post, just goes to show that from the very best of the very best some cant find a decent pigeon and 10% is about all they can muster. So If you think about that for a minute it means they will probably only sell you birds which they would consider not to be from their best maybe at best 40% as good as they actually have. It means its about 4% chance of good ones like picking 4 birds from a selection of 100, not great odds.

Im surprised at Eijerkamp not getting any to the final considering the cost to send the big boys are quite conservative in the amount they have sent, because most of them are nearly millionares, Im going to send 3 this year and have a go. think its about £850.

Good luck Martyn hope you do well because you have the required quality mate

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PostSubject: Re: Million dollar race   Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:39 am

Rudderfett wrote:
This really is an interesting post, just goes to show that from the very best of the very best some cant find a decent pigeon and 10% is about all they can muster. So If you think about that for a minute it means they will probably only sell you birds which they would consider not to be from their best maybe at best 40% as good as they actually have. It means its about 4% chance of good ones like picking 4 birds from a selection of 100, not great odds.

Im surprised at Eijerkamp not getting any to the final considering the cost to send the big boys are quite conservative in the amount they have sent, because most of them are nearly millionares, Im going to send 3 this year and have a go. think its about £850.
A real eye opener Rudd I suspect Smile Smile not that many didn't really know the true situation with this race etc from it's history. One can but wish you all the best as such when sending your 3 muskerteers, to take up the challenge there Wink Wink.
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