Is this Fair

Our fed is looking after the big team flyers, pre paid for the inland races ( 18 races )

£120.00 for 25 birds works out at £0.26 per bird, any extra birds £0.25 per bird.

£70.00 for 12 birds works out at £0.32 per bird, any extra birds £0.50 per bird.

£60 for 12 birds, and 50p for extra birds for everyone regardless of what you send seems fairer to me. Seems the bigger team flyers outnumbered the rest when it came to the vote. Always a problem when motion goes with the majority and you're in the minority, not just pigeons but all walks of life.
Be nice to get a couple clocked before the big teams, especially with a pooler. Hope you have a good season, get your share.

I don't like the idea of paying up front for a start, this is why I voted against going with them..........there was only me and jeff who voted against and everyone else voted to go with them, so by what I can see its staying the same as last season ...?

what if we have bad losses, or cant send for some reason, it means we are paying out money and getting nothing in return.

no, not for me racing with them, for certain reasons I only managed one race last season, which cost me £70 up front. this also means I only have 5, 2018 birds to race, and I`ll be throwing money away again trying to build a team up.

members cant really grumble now, they got what they voted for, I wont be racing for the foreseeable future anyway.

barnie wrote:

£60 for 12 birds, and 50p for extra birds for everyone regardless of what you send seems fairer to me. Seems the bigger team flyers outnumbered the rest when it came to the vote. Always a problem when motion goes with the majority and you're in the minority, not just pigeons but all walks of life.
Be nice to get a couple clocked before the big teams, especially with a pooler. Hope you have a good season, get your share.

you still have to pay at club level which is 20p per bird, so when you send to the inland championship race, its 20p plus 40p and extra birds for the small team is 20p + 40p + 50p = £1.10 per bird.

agm next week, I don't want to miss that, it should be entertaining.

AGM are a waste of time now. Nobody like change. Then again nobody wants to do anything

no its not fair at all ...we have a 20 bird limit for £145 for yb and old birds racing season anything extra sent is 25p per bird a much fairer way ...I think paying up front is fine when yer all in the same boat just £3 a week to send with the club to pay now on a weekly basis ...no big layout all done and dusted ,you can pool in the open or club of course but not worth pooling in the open until the classic races or north road amalgamation races of which we have 4 and our £145 fee covers our entry to these races also ...should be interesting with the welsh ,the midlands,and us in the south west competing in these 4 races effectively 4 sections as we have 2 sections ourselves ,hope you get your just desserts chuda with a few winners atb

chuda wrote:

Our fed is looking after the big team flyers, pre paid for the inland races ( 18 races )

£120.00 for 25 birds works out at £0.26 per bird, any extra birds £0.25 per bird.

£70.00 for 12 birds works out at £0.32 per bird, any extra birds £0.50 per bird.

Damned if you do & damned if you don't on this issue I suspect Chuda I'm depending on which camp one may be in as such. Bottom line, costs have to be covered at the end of the day & it's a juggling act by those doing the juggling scenario in just trying to get it right so every one is happy, happy in the end on average I suggest. Half empty trucks unfortunately don't help from my experience & love them or hate them etc the chook farmer types help with the bottom line at the end of the day from my experience . Now the half empty truck scenario. Last year here we had another local fed on our truck as such Gone in the wind now       because certain types here, just  wouldn't bend with their stupidity type thinking sadly I'm   & they took with them around $20,000 out of our kitty, which will have to be made up by the local yocals now unfortunately I suspect.

Big fliers pay for most other fliers. The best bird on the day wins. I have no problems with them.

Would have thought the only fair way was that all entries paid the same.


If you consider that the mob flyer has more chances of winning then he/she should pay more for those beyond a certain number, not the other way round.



But in this particular time in the sport the mob flyer in some instances keep the sport going and in particular in small clubs.



It would maybe a good idea as I have proposed several times to down size in every respect.



Smaller transporters, no need for special licenses etc:



Day races for the sprinters etc; which soon will be the only way to go if things go wrong in the EU,


Make the actual entry fees cover just the costs, no prize money, pools as high as those interested want to go.


Matters should be towards making participation as easy as possible on the poor mans pocket.


Regards.

always the north road route ,racing south here is a 60 miler most weeks its why I race north theirs also east to west awful route though

MISTY wrote:

Would have thought the only fair way was that all entries paid the same.


If you consider that the mob flyer has more chances of winning then he/she should pay more for those beyond a certain number, not the other  way round.



But in this particular time in the sport the mob flyer in some instances keep the sport going and in particular in small clubs.



It would maybe a good idea as I have proposed several times to down size in every respect.



Smaller transporters, no need for special licenses etc:



Day races for the sprinters etc; which soon will be the only  way to go if things go wrong in the EU,


Make the actual entry fees cover just the costs, no prize money, pools as high as those  interested want to go.


Matters should be towards making participation as easy as possible on the poor mans pocket.


Regards.








 

I put forward a proposition here Misty etc for you to ponder over and then choose which option you may/would choose as such    . Local Fed, first race makes every one pay $400 up front to fly the season out 20 races x 30 birds a week type of thing on average. Another local Fed intelligent types ask their members to nominate a figure of birds they will send through out the season on the 2 race night there & then on the night of the 5th race of the season they then tell them how much they will have too pay to race for the rest of the season there, depending & because of the birds nominated overall by the members there.

i think hal is right to a certain extent, big team flyers do put money into the race........but I think in this instance its the other way round.

what if a fancier flew widowhood and had 10 cocks, he also started the season off with 20 ybs....as we all know you can half your yb team in the first two races , so what would it work out at per bird over the season, a lot more than 26p a bird I`ll bet.

I think it does favour the large team flyer, who is lucky enough to send to most, if not all races.

Ours is £160 for 15 birds 25 p for next ones.
Yes it may be a little dearer for the small team flyers. Was 75p - 80p for starters and upwards 6 or 7 years ago.
But it does ensure - regardless how many send that the transporter will go to every race.
Remarkably, the Big teamers were the ones whinging every week. They sent 55 to 70 birds every week. said the extra shouldn't be paid as it was covered?

I don't think they did their sums for starters. These were the ones always asking for more prize money to cover costs. they would point out that the prize money hardly covered the costs of racing LET ALONE the feeds etc.
Don't start me off lol.

I always approached any activity I was engaged in, and I have been involved in quite a few, in the manner that I got the pleasure more than relevant to the effort put in money or otherwise, why on earth should fanciers pay for others to be engaged in the sport?


As I have said for many years, make it as less costly as possible to compete and let flying for money optional.



If fanciers want to breed and race hundreds that is their own affair but they should not want others to pay for them to do so.

Regards.