pigeon topics

anyone else like to talk about pigeons

Aye OS any hawkes or falcons been around your loft laterly?
Sparrowhawkes have looked at a couple of lofts on the allotments but the jackdaws have seen them off...so far...
Iv a magpie nest just behind my loft and one 30 yards in front..same as last year.

yeah the magpies give a good warning sound eh as too the crows,got a mealy hen missing tonight the spar hawk has hit the budgie aviary at the end of our street and a local fancier had a spar hawk hen go through his bob wires and into the loft luckily he saw the carryon and intervened but she got away he is getting on a bit so was a bit slow on parade ...she is about so will be looking out for her had cocks and hens out this last few days with no bother but something is untoward as this hen is very keen when on the nest and would be back by now so hopefully she has gone down and will return early tomorrow or within the next hour ,if not will have to switch her eggs to another pair ,fingers crossed though ...thing is if ya don't get them out and fit now yer playing catch up for the first 5/6 races and I want to be more competitive this year atb for 2019 f/w

hope you get her back, a shame when they go missing now after keeping through the winter
yep atb to you 2019 season

she just turned in she is flown out but not a mark on her strong wind here today and heavy showers she has put a shift in,if only they could talk

Bop at our tonight at 5 ..probably preparing for it's attack system when it's nesting

oldstrain wrote:

anyone else like to talk about pigeons

No not from my end etc cheese, toilet rolls Pigeon flyers maybe, that have a great fascination with Thailand as such or even England becoming a republic type system or even sad old Sunderland      winning first division there some how, more my scene O/S     I suggest.

Well how about the colours thrown from mating's ...

Blue x Blue = Blue cocks - Blue hens
Blue x Mealy = Mealy cocks - Blue hens
Blue x Blue Chq = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens
Blue x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens
Mealy x Blue = Blue, Mealy cocks - Blue, Mealy hens
Mealy x Mealy = Mealy cocks - Blue, Mealy hens
Mealy x Blue = Mealy, Red, Blue cocks - Mealy, Red Blue hens
Chequer = Blue Cheq cocks - Blue Cheq hens
Mealy x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens
Blue Cheq x Blue = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens
Blue Cheq x Mealy = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens
Blue Cheq x Blue Chq = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens
Blue Cheq x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens
Red x Blue = Blue, Blue Cheq, Red, Mealy cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq, Red, Mealy hens
Red x Mealy = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens
Red x Blue Cheq = Blue, Blue Cheq, Red Mealy cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq, Mealy, Red hens
Red x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Daz wrote:

Well how about the colours thrown from mating's ...

Blue x Blue = Blue cocks - Blue hens
Blue x Mealy = Mealy cocks - Blue hens
Blue x Blue Chq = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens
Blue x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens
Mealy x Blue = Blue, Mealy cocks - Blue, Mealy hens
Mealy x Mealy = Mealy cocks - Blue, Mealy hens
Mealy x Blue = Mealy, Red, Blue cocks - Mealy, Red Blue hens
Chequer = Blue Cheq cocks - Blue Cheq hens
Mealy x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens
Blue Cheq x Blue = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens
Blue Cheq x Mealy = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens
Blue Cheq x Blue Chq = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens
Blue Cheq x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens
Red x Blue = Blue, Blue Cheq, Red, Mealy cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq, Red, Mealy hens
Red x Mealy = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens
Red x Blue Cheq = Blue, Blue Cheq, Red Mealy cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq, Mealy, Red hens
Red x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Interesting but not interesting etc for me Daz here . All ok I suspect  if one wishes to breed certain colour types for an interest factor in the pursuit of excellence, maybe. but I chose to look else where as such when breeding . Noticed also, no grizzle types get a mention there .
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Yeah iv got the chart in the cabin.
But what about Grizzle..
In his book Victor Vansalen reckons its not a colour...
Its another colour superimposed on white..

I’ve got a beautiful dark checker pied cock paired to a white grizzle hen, I was really looking forward to seeing what colour the youngens would be.
It looks like they’re both going to be light checkers with no white at all on either of them.

Boosey wrote:

I’ve got a beautiful dark checker pied cock paired to a white grizzle hen, I was really looking forward to seeing what colour the youngens would be.
It looks like they’re both going to be light checkers with no white at all on either of them.

Try another round...last year out of a dark..ish grizzle hen paired to a medium light chequer i go.
1st nest..light chequer.cock and a white..ish grizzle hen.
2nd nest..dark chequer cock...
Only got the young grizzle hen left.

Yep, one mostly pairs  for other reasons than for colours Knackered I feel. I often paired for colours though lol.
Any way was a time when unscrupulous fanciers sold - still do - saying the parents were / are such and such. This chart helps those that aren't sure when the youngster don't seem to carry the right colours id that parentage was so.

When I started back here, I had a good mate give me some birds. I had a mealy cock mated to a chequer pied hen... I'm pretty sure it was. They threw beautiful grizzles. Reg Grizzle cock and a normal coloured grizzle hen/ Three rounds and sadly I had to dispose of them... they youngsters all died a little while after being weaned.

Daz wrote:

Yep, one mostly pairs  for other reasons than for colours Knackered I feel. I often paired for colours though lol.
Any way was a time when unscrupulous fanciers sold - still do - saying the parents were / are such and such. This chart helps those that aren't sure when the youngster don't seem to carry the right colours id that parentage was so.

When I started back here, I had a good mate give me some birds. I had a mealy cock mated to a chequer pied hen... I'm pretty sure it was. They threw beautiful grizzles. Reg Grizzle cock and a normal coloured grizzle hen/ Three rounds and sadly I had to dispose of them... they youngsters all died a little while after being weaned.

All ok to use as a reference point Daz if that way inclined etc as you say. Suggest thou many a dirty type deed could/would be forthcoming as mentioned over time as such on average if using the chart as ones gospel for breeding.

Boosey wrote:

I’ve got a beautiful dark checker pied cock paired to a white grizzle hen, I was really looking forward to seeing what colour the youngens would be.
It looks like they’re both going to be light checkers with no white at all on either of them.

Had a local bloke I remember here bred yellows Boosey etc for racing. Just wonder, being some what curious where they would fit in the breeding chart as such .

FW is right. Same pair as far as whites and grizzles and reds go can breed you basically any colour. White to red here. Whites, mosiacs, grizzles. White to blue check white mosiac blue checks. Depends on original colours genetics from way back I assume. Best coloured bird I have each week end is the first back.

Knackered wrote:

Boosey wrote:

I’ve got a beautiful dark checker pied cock paired to a white grizzle hen, I was really looking forward to seeing what colour the youngens would be.
It looks like they’re both going to be light checkers with no white at all on either of them.

Had a local bloke I remember here bred yellows Boosey etc for racing. Just wonder, being some what curious where they would fit in the breeding chart as such .

Recessive red.

Yes I am back, my wife just back out of  hospital.

Talking about breeding, Brexit has been the biggest cock up ever.


Mark Twain had it right, "If anyone took any notice of voting, it would not be allowed".


Regards.

The weather so far has been the best I can remember for the Winter months.

Just what effect it will have on the raptor population is any ones guess.

Under normal circumstances the Winter months see a decline in their numbers and like wise their normal prey, but some now consider pigeons normal prey and if the number of raptors increase so will the sports problems.


Yet no attempt has been made to make it harder for the raptors to attack the pigeons.


Hope not but can see the prospect of more attacks.



Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Yes I am back, my wife just back out of  hospital.

Talking about breeding, Brexit has been the biggest cock up ever.


Mark Twain had it right, "If anyone took any  notice of voting, it would not be allowed".


Regards.  

quite right too......if it was actually honest and a genuine result, they wouldn't give us the chance to vote for who we wanted to run the country.

ps , glad to hear your wife is home misty.

Not sure I or many others not in the UK understand the Brexit deal. Gains and losses. Border with Ireland an issue? Better I do not comment. Lack of insight.

The problem is, Hal, that if the vote had gone the other way the call for another vote would have been ridiculed, but those wanting to stay in the EU for their own benefit thought the vote would go their way.


We have so many two faced politicians and you cannot take any one of them at face value.



It could well be that the vast majority of MPs, as individuals see it better for them if we stay in the EU and are just paying lip service to the vote but all working together to make it as difficult as possible to get out.


Some know they will loose their seats in a General Election and see better prospects for themselves if we stay in.


The EU is run by an unelected set of individuals whose present man in charge is a noted drunken fool, which just about sums it up.


Regards.