wrinkle on keel bones

Hi,
sometime we feel wrinkle on keel/chest bone. They are real big/noticeable wavy wrinkle .

Does it happen due to bad race or hard race? I read somewhere that this may be because of lipid changes in pigeon on hard race.

usually from squeaker or early young bird stage in my experience, I've never had an adult bird suddenly develop a bent keel unless it's been smashed up.
Not sure why it happens, some say nests not deep enough, or not suitable nesting material, but I think its just down to the pigeon itself as the nestmate would be the same. Plenty winners will have a wave in the keel I've seen reported. Do you mean your adult birds get this then straighten out again after rest?

Yes, one of my adult got late in return, approximately 4 days late. I observed his keel has wrinkle on it. I have observed , once wrinkle developed ,they never go away

barnie wrote:

usually from squeaker or early young bird stage in my experience, I've never had an adult bird suddenly develop a bent keel unless it's been smashed up.
Not sure why it happens, some say nests not deep enough, or not suitable nesting material, but I think its just down to the pigeon itself as the nestmate would be the same. Plenty winners will have a wave in the keel I've seen reported. Do you mean your adult birds get this then straighten out again after rest?

Had the very odd 0ne with a bent keel, think it is a genetic fault like many such things in humans.

Does not make any difference to racing capabilities as scores of fanciers in the upper bracket of our sport would confirm.

Nesting material will not have any effect on the keel, it will develop just like the rest if fed correctly.

No good for showing as it is taken as a major physical fault.

Let the basket decide.

Regards.

tanveerhbaig wrote:

Hi,
sometime we feel wrinkle on keel/chest bone. They are real big/noticeable wavy wrinkle .

Does it happen due to bad race or hard race? I read somewhere that this may be because of lipid changes in pigeon on hard race.

Could be wrong, but I would just put it down as a mal nourishment type issue Tanveer . Some pigeons at times will loose what I call body fat, around the keel area after a extra hard race & especially if away from home for a few days etc & not eating. End of the day if a bird is looking poorly, always let the eye be the final judge in the end from my perspective.

I recall reading something ages ago about the keel not actually being bone, more of a cartilage tissue. If that's true then I guess it may be possible it could be affected by overexercsion same as an athlete perhaps? Interesting topic.

Doing a bit of research as anyone can do, I find from what the qualified people say about the bent keel problem, it appears to be a lack of calcium.

Would not worry about it, many pigeons with bent keels have won major races.

Just ensure you are feeding them the right type and quality of feed.

Too much taboo in our sport.

Regards.

i always thought bent keels were the result of no, or very little nesting material when in the nest........soft bones at an early age will be soft, hence as they develope the keel is bent , due to been on a hard surface .

thats my opinion anyway

Think if nesting material had anything to do with it at all David every wood pigeon would have bent keels.

Many humans suffer similar problems having exactly the same treatment as others that do not.

If every pigeon in the loft had a bent keel then I would be worried, but if just the odd one and others not ?????.

Regards.

Should of course add that you get pigeons with bent keels in the best of lofts., using different types of bedding.

Regards.

I agree with barnie, it is an interesting subject with so many different opinions which adds to the subject.

Considering it further many of my pigeons, although always tobacco stalks and straw available, on open loft would choose their own nesting material and I never had any problems.

Have a feeling the pigeons know better than us.

Regards.

barnie wrote:

I recall reading something ages ago about the keel not actually being bone, more of a cartilage tissue. If that's true then I guess it may be possible it could be affected by overexercsion same as an athlete perhaps? Interesting topic.

Interesting part for me is, apparently not all birds have a keel bone as such. How do I know etc Mr google told me Then we have Robert Stroud who used to dissect all his canary's with his fingers to help pass the time. How do I know I've read/have all his books as such .

Think the same Knackered, you can Google anything and appear over intelligent,
Stroud believed in lime I believe, as I remember.

Kept canaries myself for over40 years just as the pigeons, open aviary, all together,
bred like good uns, just protected from rain etc; no problems.

But it is nice to kick different ideas about and experiences of others are often interesting.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Think the same Knackered, you can Google anything and appear over intelligent,
Stroud believed in lime I believe, as I remember.

Kept canaries myself for over40 years just as the pigeons, open aviary, all together,
bred like good uns, just protected from rain etc; no problems.

But it is nice to kick different ideas about and experiences of others are often interesting.

Regards.  

Maybe so with the lime thing Do know etc one of his best medications/pick me up things was plain old cheap dirt as such . Now trouble with old man Goggle, he isn't always quite correct in what he preaches at times I've found .

Knackered where there is muck there is money and money and health I feel goes hand in hand with getting your hands dirty as the saying goes.

The sick pale face kids are those whose parents moly coddle them, the ones among the muck thrive, a thing for fanciers to consider me thinks.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Knackered where there is  muck there is money and  money and health I feel goes hand in hand with getting your hands dirty as the saying goes.

The sick pale face kids are those whose parents moly coddle them, the ones among the muck thrive, a thing for fanciers to consider me thinks.

Regards.

Oh what joy one had in our time Misty jumping in puddles type of thing for the sheer enjoyment factor. These days kids on average, would be worried some what about getting their designer clothes & shoes dirty I suspect .