Miracle YB Sickness Cure ?

David wrote:

Interesting David But the poor girl, appears maybe to have a head lice problem/issue, the way she kept flicking her hair all over the place there I suggest . All that being said thou she looks a dam sight better than I would ever be doing an add for some magic pigeon type formula .    
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she may need a drop of one spot on her neck knackered .........

been using a rohnfried product specifically for ybs called avitestin mind you avidress is top dog these 2 products for ybs for me to avert the dreaded sickness ...mind you fanciers are generally the ones that bring it on by exercising in too hot weather or feeding to heavy in hot weather ,or indeed feeding to soon after exercise or by pushing them too far too soon ..mine dont go out when its really hot ,no point for 10 minutes and down ...best to get off yer ar$£ and exercise 5am ,they fly well at this time

ive been using the avidress now for around the past 18 months - 2 years , and find it seems to keep them healthy, had no illness whatsoever in that time .........if its the avidress i cant be certain, but for the price of it, and how long it lasts its worth giving them it anyway .+

i use 5 days a week, and 2 days vitamins .....if it makes a difference i dont know

yeah its 5 day avidress 2 day avitestin here ...vits 1 day per week with avidress

What amaze me at times.


Many fanciers claim they use no medication at all but when a new one is mentioned and they say they use it they must have a medicine cabinet, strange.

Regards.

David wrote:

she may need a drop of one spot on her neck knackered .........

could worth a shot etc David But then maybe she was just out to impress the younger generation & not some has been like myself who has one foot in the grave now type of thing .
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Very good

peel bros wrote:

Very good

Which may I ask the spruiker or the magic tonic etc Ray    . & take care.

I think you have to have something at hand these days especially for your young birds. Ideally no one wants to use anything but you can't be irresponsible, sit back and just let your birds get on with it when they go sick. At the end of the day they'll be suffering, who would ignore that and just leave them saying it's survival of the fittest?
Not much of a fancier or animal lover if you ask me.

Barnie, I had a cabinet with enough medication in to fill a chemists shop.

I also kept up to date with the latest fads and would if ever the occasion arose no doubt would have used them.

Most were gifts.

However, the only thing I used was garlic in the water every day and never had sick pigeons, YBS nor anything else, once the original poorer types were illuminated, over a period of time, Rome not built in a day etc;

Look at it like this.

You have seven brothers, wanting to form a band, six were musically inclined and the other tone deaf.

Would you include the latter in the band or send him off to be an MP.


Regards.

Misty I do understand what you are saying and in the main totally agree, but these days on occasion the whole flock can go down with something rapidly, even overnight. It would be difficult for me just to sit back and let them get on with it knowing they were suffering and also knowing I could do something about it for the sake of spending a few quid, maybe I'm just too soft........

i would always try cure them if i could, if it meant using antibiotics or whatever, so be it .........got to look after them, they are our responsibility .

i find too many pigeon fanciers have none, or very little concern for their birds, they do not care ........they are simply an object for their entertainment , for them to send racing , and have no hesitation to kill them if they choose .

sit and wait see what happens you soon be wiped out with adeno/coli even in the early eighties when my grandfather raced this was going on whole teams going down with it ,i dont say reach for antibiotics immediately but you can use herbal/natural products to good effect if you intervene early but once the e-coli has taken hold its game over,you may still lose 1 or 2 but generally the team will bounce back and the 1 or 2 would have been the weaker ones but not to treat at all and leave be to nature would be disastrous and would not advocate this action myself ,i have had adeno/coli syndrome twice and ceased racing for 2 weeks and both times on return i won the club so it is worth the effort with natural products ,but have found using avidress as it states which is everyday has seen me free of the sickness for the last 5 years and not only in my loft but others to ...who inquired and use as stated which is everyday ,if you dont want to use then fine i am happy for anyone not to use it but i will always share when i find anything to be of good use admittedly theres not many products out there worth purchasing but the first thing on my list would be avidress ,cinammon,oregano,organic acids,minerals is the contents ,the way the cinammon is produced/extracted is a whole different ball game than just putting powder on the corn ,anyway enough energy spent on that but if in doubt give it a try and you will be pleasantly surprised

Not soft at all barnie, caring more like it.

Of course if I had, had, a health problem involving several of my pigeons I would have done all I could to treat them.

But you have to be realistic, if you only breed a few young ones a year, before long you would have to double your loft size to keep them all.

Selection is a must if you intend racing, the poor eat just as much and take as much looking after as the champions.

When visited by well known fancier and scribe he said I was a pigeon lover not a dedicated racing fancier but I beat him nearly every week.

Always kept my pigeons as near to nature as possible, the best way to show concern and love for them.

Regards.

Same here regarding medication. Access to all types plus antbiotics. All free. After a few years went the other way. Fittest survive. Open loft much as possible.
Raptor attacks, they are on their own. Predators with 4 legs can handle usually.
Trap and dispose of. I realise not all can do the open loft bit. Each to their own depending on circumstances. Only unatural thing I did was same light from June 21st until end of racing young birds.

Prevention firstly I believe.

But the fact is that very much 'Blame' is put on 'YBS'! But very often is not to blame.
By far, and the most cause, and unrecognised villain, is a deep rooted Canker.

Caused by fanciers using the same remedy for 2- 3 times without switching. Determine in their fool hardy ways of spouting such like 'Always has served me well. Why have used ******** For a very long while now. Never had a problem' etc.

Wrong, indeed very wrong! Canker quickly gets immune to any treatment. fact. they are 32/33 different strains. It is like the 'Thrush' that women get.

Nystatin is good.. if got or can get... but again though it will clear up the sauce ...  don't ever overtreat, and always treat a full strength.

Deep rooted canker is extremely hard to shift.
Now a little canker is great, Because it will fight and defend it's post and be the only need. But then the fancier 'Canker and Worms' regularly, so other cankers come and are quickly immune to them.

But is treated via the only means - not by Nystatin. there is only one way.  so before one lays the blame on 'YBS' I'd say get rid of a very likely 'Deep Rooted Canker. Normal treatments bought, only give a slight respite... then add more trouble.
Yes one of the very few treatments I have had to treat.

barnie wrote:

I think you have to have something at hand these days especially for your young birds. Ideally no one wants to use anything but you can't be irresponsible, sit back and just let your birds get on with it when they go sick. At the end of the day they'll be suffering, who would ignore that and just leave them saying it's survival of the fittest?
Not much of a fancier or animal lover if you ask me.

I understand your thinking etc Barnie perhaps thou it may just depend on, if you have a 1 in 10 scenario or a 1 in a 100 type  issue with a problem that must be solved. Fact is from my perspective, most pigeons are weak in nature on average these days & its because of so many short type races with many having a must win attitude & the over use of medication to just achieve it I'm . Now, not that I'm knocking any one as such, but   one well known Fed down here starts there old bird season off       with 4, 60 mile Fed races & then     3, 110 mile type races the same. half there season is gone there & they haven't even reached  200 miles. Another one     Auction, other side of the Murray here     champion long distance pigeons for sale by the catalogue, what do I find thou when reading     hardly a pigeon there flew over 350 miles as such    .   & take care.