Ambition in sport

it's one mans word un like a proven racer

exactly, i could breed a winner for someone off a certain pair, and then tell a dozen other fanciers this pair had bred their bird they had bought, when they hadn't .

its like pedigrees, they can make them up as they go along .

A lot will make them up.as well . A lot of conmen about

Just been having a real gander at the bird flu rules.

Frightening for any stud or fancier who has invested money and maybe a large part of life into establishing a stud or racing loft.

Can be made to kill all the pigeons.

Say there will be compensation.

Just how would they compensate Massarella or similar, or a fancier with a winning loft of pigeons that he/she could get thousands for ????????.

Me thinks too many problems in the sport without this one.


Regards..

if that was in the BHW past over it lol

made to kill off racing pigeons ...? when theres never ever been a case of a racing pigeon getting bird flu...?

David wrote:

made to kill off racing pigeons ...?  when theres never ever been a case of a racing pigeon getting bird flu...?

Can understand if there had ever been a case in pigeons David, but I have never heard of one.

However, the number of casualties in this latest outbreak is alarming and believe involves species never before been a problem.

Would be interesting to know just what the continentals do.

It just needs one case or supposed case to change the sport, as if it has not got enough problems already.

Regards.

all sounds a little too contrived if you ask me misty, seems like an exercise in control ...........jumping through hoops etc

David wrote:

all sounds a little too contrived if you ask me misty, seems like an exercise in control ...........jumping through hoops etc

Been doing a bit of research regarding the bird flue David.

Apparently pigeons and doves in Africa have contracted the disease.

However, experiments apparently indicate that they do not pose a threat to humans at the moment.

Think the Winter may throw some light on the matter.

Never known so many uncertainties in our sport before.

Regards.

Hopefully we get back on track ne t season, I want to beat 9 wins in one season and 3 fed wins . Massive team this year so why not

good luck Ray do hope you do it

That's, believe me we will try as not much holding us back now apart from money lol

Could not agree more, those with advantage exchange their best with those flying in a different location, then sell their bred for purpose to finance their sport with plenty to spare.They also get on the advertising game, never use the product but get a back hander.

That does not stop them being unbeatable, a good pigeon in an orange box looked after in a proper manner will win.

Think you lads do it the hard way but deserve to obtain your objective and will look forward to you doing so but also there will be the downs at times as every fancier knows.

Regards.

Lots of downs yes but not as many as once upon a time , we don't get beat like we used to . We are getting close and we will because that's our objective, it's in our blood , it's the way we where brought up . We can't help it but we hate losing yes it happens of course but we try to put it right instantly if we can . .

Always did my best to win but was aware so were fanciers with advantages of wealth ( which does not guarantee success but helps) along with other advantages.

I won my share and to win against the odds in my opinion beats winning with all the advantages.

Tis a sport that has attracted those who have ruined the sport for the grass root fancier.

Can remember when first raced as a 16 year old the club having high double figure membership and all more or less on an equal footing, won the open race the first year, was in partnership with an ex RAF member, we won a clock and blanket.

That was a nice start, but the only race we won that year, however, the vast majority won nothing.

Nothing wrong in wanting to win but one should learn to lose gracefully even when facing disadvantages, makes wining more the sweeter I found many times.

Regards.

Some people are born gifted stockmen. Few and far between, but I think they would naturally be successful if they'd kept greyhounds, racehorses, or showed cage birds, instead of pigeons. They just got that instinct that get's them ahead of the game.

Some are born gifted yes but some haven't the funds to buy what they want . We just hope we hit the right ones as we did with the van bels and thiss birds but could I hell breed off them . Was it me or what it the birds? . Some just don't breed . Had birds breed but not race as well . Haha

do you mean louis thijs pigeons ray ? these seem to do well and herman ceuster blood i believe ...good luck with them

Yes Darren. Predictive text , plus I couldn't spell it haha

peel bros wrote:

Yes Darren.  Predictive text , plus I couldn't spell it haha

I realy admire your dedication but think you are doing it the hard way.

Why did you not continue with the pigeons that gave you the best years ?.

They must have had the winning genes amongst them and you could have improved them year on year by severe selection.

I feel you are starting from scratch every year.

Tell me to shut up if you want but that is my feelings.

I still hope all your efforts pay off but think there are easier ways.

Regards.

I know what you are saying but not really starting again . We know where we went wrong last season and year before, FEED . tried one system not good for us so then tried another one from les green , totally crap and I mean crap . Too many fats in the corn which produced to much bile which apparently birds can't get rid of themselves. Anyway it's sorted now and back to normal feeds which helped us win but obviously as did the birds ect . We tried to improve but it didn't work and learnt the lesson. Anyway next season will tell us . We always bring birds in and always will , again to improve. Maybe your right but we do still have these winning birds

i thought those van bels raced well for you ray ...?

David wrote:

i thought those van bels raced well for you ray ...?

Never believed in BREEDS after seeing some old top fancier's clearance sales and others since, all had as many pigeons bred by other fanciers as those bred by themselves as breeders.

No such thing as a pure breed, every offspring would have to be related to an original pair.

There are good, bad and indifferent pigeons in most fancier's lofts tis how they are treated that makes all the difference.

Regards.

i think it makes things a bit more interesting having the odd dabble on a bird

peel bros wrote:

I know what you are saying but not really starting again . We know where we went wrong last season and year before,  FEED . tried one system not good for us so then tried another one from les green , totally crap and I mean crap . Too many fats in the corn which produced  to much bile which apparently  birds can't get rid of themselves.  Anyway  it's sorted now and back to normal feeds which helped us win but obviously as did the birds ect . We tried to improve but it didn't work and learnt the lesson.  Anyway next season will tell us . We always bring birds in and always will , again to improve.  Maybe your right but we do still have these winning birds

Think your way more unpredictable but far more interesting, who knows what may turn up, and if fanciers had not experimented in the first place we would still only have the rock dove to go on.

Admire your dedication to the sport.

All the best.

Regards.