pmv survivor in race

Hi,
I usually cull sick as I think and observed that they don't survive tough conditions. I have 2 young birds you looks like suffered from PMV, no twisted neck or head shaking. but it looks like their alignment is out. I opened them on loft and they flew and were able to go up and down on rooftop . but still they have some balance issue.
I was thinking to take risk of keeping them as they are eating,flying cooing ok.

what are your experience with such pigeons ? do they ever worked well or wait for tough race to disappear ?

Experience indicates that pigeons in perfect health that meet the required assets to perform well are few and far between and those with ill health are disadvantaged so you takes your pick.

Worst part of our sport deciding such issues, never liked it myself.

Regards.

did they act like this immediately after a race ? paratyphoid can also make them act like this ? or maybe they were/are simply de-hydrated ? if it was paramixo or paratyphoid there would be other sympthoms i would have thought like bad droppings or birds hunched up and very quiet

Darren, Race team is ok
those are symptoms shown in YB

oldstrain wrote:

did they act like this immediately after a race ? paratyphoid can also make them act like this ? or maybe they were/are simply de-hydrated ? if it was paramixo or paratyphoid there would be other sympthoms i would have thought like bad droppings or birds hunched up and very quiet

if not sure bin it

tanveerhbaig wrote:

Darren, Race team is ok  
those are symptoms shown in YB

oldstrain wrote:

did they act like this immediately after a race ? paratyphoid can also make them act like this ? or maybe they were/are simply de-hydrated ? if it was paramixo or paratyphoid there would be other sympthoms i would have thought like bad droppings or birds hunched up and very quiet

keep your eye on them very closely ,how old are these ybs ...if it were me i would watch where they specifically perch and inspect there droppings in the morning as they are usually a good sign of the birds health ,adeno/coli syndrome can make ybs act stupid/ignorant they tend not to listen when called in and act a little out of charachter initially in the first few days ...some call it young bird sickness but the real term is adeno virus and then comes the e-coli so the term used by the pigeon vets is adeno/coli syndrome ,some pigeon vets are quite good i do have respect for "henk de weerdt" and find his information very good and to the point ...adeno/coli syndrome does have varying levels of severity due to the infected lofts routine/husbandry and the secondary pathogens whithin the infected loft ,i have had it in my loft and light feed of barley or preferably wheat as e-coli will feed on the sugar in the barley after initial fasting for 24 hours and the use of charcoal tablets and avidress in the water sorted it for me ,i gave 2 charcoal tablets to each yb for 3 days consecutive and avidress was used immediately and thereafter for the duration of the yb season ,i also used it for my stock birds its a great product and all natural substances ...hopefully its not a disease/virus tanveer and just merely a bit of dehydration

Thank you Darren.

but lets say loft is ok now. no disease , droppings looks good and pigeons look happy. but for those who suffered from it and has symptom like mild neck twisting. I have observed that they tend to look normal after few day free flight , as free flight help them maintain balance.
So for such survivor knife is the destination or you or anyone observed they worked well in race...

oldstrain wrote:

tanveerhbaig wrote:

Darren, Race team is ok  
those are symptoms shown in YB

oldstrain wrote:

did they act like this immediately after a race ? paratyphoid can also make them act like this ? or maybe they were/are simply de-hydrated ? if it was paramixo or paratyphoid there would be other sympthoms i would have thought like bad droppings or birds hunched up and very quiet

keep your eye on them very closely ,how old are these ybs ...if it were me i would watch where they specifically perch and inspect there droppings in the morning as they are usually a good sign of the birds health ,adeno/coli syndrome can make ybs act stupid/ignorant they tend not to listen when called in and act a little out of charachter initially in the first few days ...some call it young bird sickness but the real term is adeno virus and then comes the e-coli so the term used by the pigeon vets is adeno/coli syndrome ,some pigeon vets are quite good i do have respect for "henk de weerdt" and find his information very good and to the point ...adeno/coli syndrome does have varying levels of severity due to the infected lofts routine/husbandry and the secondary pathogens whithin the infected loft ,i have had it in my loft and light feed of barley or preferably wheat as e-coli will feed on the sugar in the barley  after initial fasting for 24 hours and the use of charcoal tablets and avidress in the water sorted it for me ,i gave 2 charcoal tablets to each yb for 3 days consecutive and avidress was used immediately and thereafter for the duration of the yb season ,i also used it for my stock birds its a great product and all natural substances ...hopefully its not a disease/virus tanveer and just merely a bit of dehydration

The real art in pigeon racing is having naturally healthy pigeons that are capable of doing what you ask of them without a lot of the tripe poured down their throats.

If you have healthy pigeons you do not need cures nor preventatives.

In the case of your young ones I would personally have culled them without a seconds thought.

Why take risks with any young pigeon that has a problem when you have healthy ones ( but not for long if you keep treating sick ones ).

Forget all the cures and develope healthy pigeons even if it means strict culling.

Better 20 healthy pigeons than a loft full needing constant treatment.


Regards.

if any birds had been neck twisting in my loft then i would take no chances,now i did have a freind who had stock with paramixo virus and they got over it but he was informed the disease effects the brain of the bird and will be no good as racers after the disease but would be ok to breed from ,personally the first sign of paramixo or paratyphoid then i would take the birds out of the team immediately but fortunately i have never had either disease in my loft

thank you Darren. i have similar thoughts. My loft was disease free since 7 years. I had no trouble at all. Even I had no antibiotics when Yb started symptoms, as I forgot about disease I tried to develop immunity with herbs and it was awesome. but this year, not only mine by 2 of my close friends has same trouble. initially diarrhea, treated well but you know pigeon expire in 24-48 hours and very few survivor has neck twisting. even after fully recovered , Yb was flying ok and looked happy, but on next morning 4 started showing symptoms of dis-balance. that was last and disease stopped. those 4 are still flying but sometimes show dis-balance or minor neck tilt .
now vet is saying , no more use of medicine they will recover by their selves , so sit tight and wait.just giving them good probiotics and vitamins for immune booster

oldstrain wrote:

if any birds had been neck twisting in my loft then i would take no chances,now i did have a freind who had stock with paramixo virus and they got over it but he was informed the disease effects the brain of the bird and will be no good as racers after the disease but would be ok to breed from ,personally the first sign of paramixo or paratyphoid then i would take the birds out of the team immediately but fortunately i have never had either disease in my loft

The only way the immune system works is by generations suffering from and over comming a health problem.

The immunity increases generation on generation, but only if the species concerned do it naturally without any artificial aids and treatment.

A pill here and there may cure it now but have adverse effects on the immune system evolving naturally.

So you have the fanciers telling you all the short term fixes that you will have to use all the time because the pigeons have no immunity to anything going

The pigeons generally today are a very poor species in respect of health than when I was a kid 80 years ago and only because fanciers progressively wanted short term fixes to keep expensive sick pigeons alive.

Would not nor ever did treat sick pigeons took some time but ended up with healthy and winning pigeons, not only for me but many others, never treated for anything.

My motto for over 60 years, KEEP AS CLOSE TO NATURE AS POSSIBLE.

Would have started using all the fads the first time I saw a wild bird come ou of a chemists with a bad full of AIDS AND CURES.

Regards.

tanveerhbaig wrote:

thank you Darren. i have similar thoughts. My loft was disease free since 7 years. I had no trouble at all. Even I had no antibiotics when Yb started symptoms, as I forgot about disease      I tried to develop immunity with herbs and it was awesome. but this year, not only mine by 2 of my close friends has same trouble. initially diarrhea, treated well but you know pigeon expire in 24-48 hours and very few survivor has neck twisting. even after fully recovered , Yb was flying ok and looked happy, but on next morning 4 started showing symptoms of dis-balance. that was last and disease stopped. those 4 are still flying but sometimes show dis-balance or minor neck tilt .  
now vet is saying , no more use of medicine they will recover by their selves , so sit tight and wait.just giving them good probiotics and vitamins for immune booster

oldstrain wrote:

if any birds had been neck twisting in my loft then i would take no chances,now i did have a freind who had stock with paramixo virus and they got over it but he was informed the disease effects the brain of the bird and will be no good as racers after the disease but would be ok to breed from ,personally the first sign of paramixo or paratyphoid then i would take the birds out of the team immediately but fortunately i have never had either disease in my loft

Unfortunate as it is etc Tanveer one of those crossroad type moments/situations I'm from my perspective here Your choice pigeon racer or a pigeon lover type of thing. No ground sadly to be both from my perspective here in your present situation I'm I ask one question thou is your Vet local with little pigeon expertise/ experience, or a fly in type from across the border type thing if the first as such I would attempt to find local a thing called Virkon S if at all possible & hopefully it may just help with your unfortunate predicament there at the moment, maybe .